皆さん、

ようこそ、これはチャポでの初めての日本語の練習スレ。

このスレ内に何でものことについてを喋ってください。

遠慮失いで! ٩(๑òωó๑)۶

日本語を話しできないでば、それは結構です。英語で、「日本語で○○をどう言ってますか」とか問い掛けます。

では、始めましょうか?

English: Everyone,

Welcome to the first Chapo Japanese practice thread.

Don't hold back, talk about anything you want.

It's fine if you don't speak Japanese, just ask stuff in English, like "How do I say XX in Japanese?"

Then, shall we get started?

For the reading group: 銀河鉄道の夜 (Libgen - Night on the Galactic Railroad - Japanese / English Dual Text)

New thread

  • Koolio [any]
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    (implied 私は) 2年前にHEISIGのANKI DECK(を)勉強し終わ(て)った(だ)けど、怠惰にな(て)ったから、勉強し続け(て)なかった。今、ほとんどを忘れ(てた)。でも、漢字は簡単にな(て)るよ。

    Don't worry, we're all trash at grammer.

    Remember there's an implied 私 which is the subject that gets the は.

    Anki Deck together is a noun, it may be Hesig's deck, but it's not Anki's Deck, it's an Anki Deck.

    The deck is an object that is operated upon by the subject so it is an を.

    After that it's just て form. て is mostly a modifier that makes something progressive (i.e. you've been doing something, you are doing something) But it's also something a bit more, it's habitual sort of be.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habitual_be

    If you get up from bed, it's a する. Yes you're doing it, but it's not something that takes place over a significant amount of time, or is thought of as something you habitually do. If you are just studying something it's 勉強する, but if it's something you study then it's a 勉強して. The act of marrying is 結婚する but getting married is 結婚して. I hope that explains it a bit.

    • CommunistFFWhen [he/him]
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      I thought Noun (loan, foreign word)+ する is a valid construction and the を is optional in this case.

      Yeah I forgot ている (contracted is てる), it's also used to describe the state of a thing after having done something right. So in this case, 忘れた should be 忘れてた (the state I'm in after I forgot something), the same for 終わってた。Though I don't really understand using it for the なる part, when do we use just plain なる and when do we use なてる.

      And as for the だ before けど, I thought it only applied if the sentence end in a noun or a na-adjective (which is still a noun).

      Thanks a lot for the reply btw.

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        And as for the だ before けど, I thought it only applied if the sentence end in a noun or a na-adjective (which is still a noun).

        You are correct. That correction is wrong.
        If you're speaking casually, you can say 終わったんだけど, where ん is a contraction of の, which can also be used. But だ directly after a verb or adjective like that is wrong.

        Oh, also, なてる is not correct , either. It's なってる. And I'm pretty sure you were correct just using なった, anyways.

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        The issue was you used は on an object, the anki deck is the object of the sentence, and specifically the one operated on. While the を is optional there, I'd use it because of how long the verb clause is, it provides some clarity.

        With て, It's not so much the state of having forgotten something, it's that you forgot over time. If you just forgot something, like your homework or a fact, that's a 忘れた, you can 忘れた a word - but because it was a process of forgetting that took place over a period of time, it's a 忘れてた.

        簡単になる is more of a future tense, it will become easier, but because is HAS (i.e. through a process that took time) become easier it is 忘れになってる - it's a present perfect progressive tense.

        https://www.ego4u.com/en/cram-up/grammar/present-perfect-progressive

        The だ there is what is referred to as a copula, if this was 丁寧語 i.e. more formal Japanese that'd be a です, making it a ですけど. The formal of the sentence is "Idea 1, but Idea 2" the だ 'ends' idea 1. You could take away けど and it would be a stand alone sentence.

        In english だ/です would correspond to forms of be. (i.e. is)

        • CommunistFFWhen [he/him]
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          Doesn't だ only end a noun clause though, in my sentence it's 勉強し続けなかったけど

          • Koolio [any]
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            Yeah, examining it further, it would just be けど. It's one of those purely technical points, (ん)だ/ですけど, where the ん is not really enunciated is common. Chalk it up to going by "what sounds right".

            with respect to Kumikommunism, the なて was a typo of なって. The なってた on 怠惰になってた is optional depending on what whether or not you want to imply it was a process of becoming lazier, or that you just became lazy. But the 勉強し続けてなかった is a definite て