• PhaseFour [he/him]
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    I have literally said multiple times China is not socialist lmao

    The fact that they are closer to socialism than any time in their history says nothing about the future.

    • Shishnarfne [comrade/them]
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      The fact that they are closer to socialism than any time in their history

      A "fact" that is completely the product of your imagination, repeating it endlessly doesn't make it true. Seriously, why are you here when you could be posting on r/neoliberal? Your argument that a communist country can only develop economically by reintroducing capitalism would be a success there.

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        Your argument that a communist country can only develop economically by reintroducing capitalism

        I never said this. A coalition between:

        • The centralized economies of the USSR & China
        • Armed Communist Parties in Western Europe
        • The armed national liberation movements in the Global South

        in the after war period would have defeated capitalist-imperialism without the reintroduction of capitalism. There were plenty of opportunities to develop socialism in that time period.

        However, a shit ton of things went horribly wrong for the Communist international movement:

        • The Comintern pressured the disarmament of communist parties in France, Italy, and Greece.
        • Krushchev's complete condemnation of, and lies about, Stalin caused fractures in every single communist party in the world.
        • The Soviet Union refused to help China industrialize in order to maintain detente with the US
        • China dumped anti-USSR propaganda around the world, claimed the USSR is "capitalist-imperialist" and "no different than the US"

        To name a few.

        Capitalist-imperialism successfully carried out counter-revolution around the world. In the era of counter-revolution, there were two successful methods of survival:

        • The introduction of some capitalist reforms while maintaining a democratic centralist government led by a communist party (Vietnam, China)
        • A complete inward-turn, focused on defense and self-sufficiency (Cuba, DPRK)

        China demonstrated the only successful model for building international influence, which is has been completely lacking from international communism for decades.

        The fact the China does not look like some combination of Ukraine and Afghanistan right now is commendable, only a handful of communist parties pulled that off. The fact that China is the center of global production and has been faithfully sticking to it's benchmarks in building socialism is one of the only signs of hope in the 21st century.

        I generally agree with the CPC's line: poverty is not socialism. Poverty and economic stagnation were incredibly powerful weapons utilized by capitalists to carry out color revolution in the Eastern Bloc. Eradicating poverty is a necessary component to building socialism. Throughout China, the people experience a quality of life never before seen there and trust in the party's leadership is at record highs.

        • Shishnarfne [comrade/them]
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          4 years ago

          Qanon supporters are less deluded than you are. China is run by a billionaire oligarchy while its workers slave away in sweatshops and you write it has been "faithfully sticking to [its] benchmarks in building socialism..."