• PhaseFour [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    neither you nor I know what their end goal

    There are several end-goals in mind within the CPC. There are people that want to continue capitalist development ad infinitum. There are people who have rejected all reforms. There are people who think the bourgeoisie in China have served a progressive role, but their usefulness is coming to an end.

    I tend to agree with the last line. I think Xi is carrying out that line right now. But that may change, or he may lose power.

    The bourgeoisie are becoming less useful in China. They used to be the all-important connection to western technology and expertise. Now, China has caught up in all but a handful of fields.

    I'm hopeful that Xi Jinping is not an anomaly.That he is the product of the conditions in China. The bourgeoisie are less important to socialist construction in China, and therefore, their political power is waning.

    I tend to think the membership of the CPC are (mostly) genuine Marxist-Leninists. Marxist-Leninists who believe the color revolutions in the Eastern Bloc were only possible because stagnation in peoples' quality of life. Their political line centers constant improvements to peoples' quality of life above all else, and preventing a color revolution from gaining popularity.

    • Rev [none/use name]
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      4 years ago

      I think, I hope, I believe... that's way too vague mate. What you're basically admitting is that you also don't really know. Which is exactly what I'm saying: maybe China will transition to socialism down the road but at the moment there are precious few concrete signs of this, the likelihood of it happening is not strong and I have yet to see a convincing motivation for the leadership (whether current or future) to commit to it. At the same time I'm not denying the good things China has achieved and the unmistakably better deal they offer for the developing world, but "good things" do not by themselves constitute socialism.

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        4 years ago

        I think, I hope, I believe… that’s way too vague mate.

        I cannot read Chinese and I only know a handful of CPC members. There's only so much I can glean about how the Party functions. I won't claim to know more than I do.

        What you’re basically admitting is that you also don’t really know

        I just said that... The future is not decided. Anything can change. The direction the Party goes will be the product of political maneuvers and the voting membership.

        I have yet to see a convincing motivation for the leadership (whether current or future) to commit to it.

        The Party Congress has been pretty explicit about finishing the development of their economic base by 2035, and finish their transition to socialism by 2050.

        Every conspiracy theory claiming that China lies about their timelines - from economic growth projections, to alleviating extreme poverty, to constructing public infrastructure, to filling their "ghost cities", etc - have been unfounded. Therefore, the official timeline set out by the CPC must hold some weight.