So I know that trotskyites get a lot of heat from this community but I’ve been reading about trotsky and his opinions seem pretty good? He called himself a Bolshevik-Leninist which obviously isn’t great but the idea of international socialism seems better, IMO, that national or Stalinist type socialism. Maybe I’m misunderstanding something here though so somebody tell me why I’m wrong.

  • jmichigan_frog [he/him]
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    "Socialism in one country" gets distorted. From 1917 to 1949, the USSR was effectively the only country socialist country on earth. A policy of isolationism was necessary to survive and build socialism where it stood a chance. In my experience, Trotskyists argue that the USSR was on the wrong side of history from the minute Lenin died: refusing to join a popular front against fascism, agreeing to non-aggression with Germany (after being rebuffed by the West), and then (most bewilderingly) for joining a popular front against fascism while Nazis were waging a war of extermination. The USSR came out of the war stronger, and the second war of imperialists against one another led to successful revolutions worldwide.

    I personally think Trotsky is pretty cool. He's a talented writer and a certified badass who helped win the Revolution. A historical materialist analysis of the revolution suggests that history wouldn't be that different if Stalin were replaced by someone else. Social movements and material conditions matter a lot more than individuals. So Stalin wasn't some "diabolus ex machina" that ruined an otherwise perfectly good communist revolution. A lot of Trotskyism in the West bears the imprint of liberal squeamishness about the brutal reality of (anti-)imperialism and building up productive forces. As others in the thread have mentioned, Trotskyist sects are prone to infiltration, splits, and being co-opted by global capital. I will still call them comrades though: it's not like we have enough power yet for these academic differences to have any real meaning.

    EDIT: Not to do a gratuitous idpol, but looking worldwide, "Stalinist" MLs tend to be a lot less white for historical reasons that should be obvious. Several prominent neocons started out as Trotskyists. Something, something, Western-chauvinist narratives.

    EDIT2: Damn, I forgot about Yugoslavia and Albania when I said the USSR was the only socialist country. So from 1917-1941, at any rate.

    • gammison [none/use name]
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      EDIT: Not to do a gratuitous idpol, but looking worldwide, “Stalinist” MLs tend to be a lot less white for historical reasons that should be obvious. Several prominent neocons started out as Trotskyists. Something, something, Western-chauvinist narratives.

      That also has to do with Trotskyists getting executed/snuffed out in order for those parties to get the USSR's support in their struggle. A few countries which never got much USSR support like Bolivia and Sri Lanka had large influential Trotskyist movements.

      Flipside, there was a large number of Trotskyists in Vietnam in the 1930s. However starting in 1945 when the war was over, they were hunted down by the French on one side, and the Viet Minh on the other.