Am I wrong in thinking that Bernie would have saved not only the democrat party
Bernie would have gotten blown the fuck out in the general election, and it would have set back Leftist politics in the US by at least 5 years, if not 10.
but also stabilized capitalism?
Capitalism is global now, and beyond the US's control. Bernie, in some miracle land where he won and was able to enact any of his agenda, at all, would at the very least make things less miserable, both for Americans and abroad. Would it have stabilized Capitalism? No, because the rate of profit would still go down. The business cycle wouldn't disappear. It would likely make things better for the Left when the next crisis happened, though, because his Presidency would "break the seal" and re-teach the population things like:
Class consciousness. Americans weren't always completely well-behaved, good cucks for their boss.
Solidarity with the global working class. Opposition to the Vietnam War was equal or stronger among older people than the youth in the late 60s!
The fact that the government is in fact capable of doing things. Ever since Saint Reagan came on the scene with his infamous wit and charm, we've accepted as a society that anything done collectively or through the State is doomed to fail. This is a huge mental block that has to be
All three of those things can be done without the President, of course. But having someone in the Exectuive Branch who actively champions those ideas speeds up the process.
Bernie would have gotten blown the fuck out in the general election, and it would have set back Leftist politics in the US by at least 5 years, if not 10.
Lmao, Reddit is the place full of delusional idiots who think Bernie would have won.
Bernie probably would have won in 2016. There's no way he would have won in 2020. Biden barely won thanks to moderates who would have taken any excuse to not vote for Sanders. It's pure cope to say Bernie would have won because saying otherwise is admitting that Chuck Schumer was right.
shitty take. bernie would have won easily had he not been screwed in the primary this cycle. the entirety of the reason that biden won was because "he's not trump." even centrists admit he's a fucking demented fossil and they only voted for him to spite donald trump.
the entirety of the reason that biden won was because “he’s not trump.” even centrists admit he’s a fucking demented fossil and they only voted for him to spite donald trump.
This is exactly my point! If Bernie would have run, those centrists would have said "well Trump is bad, but Bernie is just too much, I just don't know, it's all bad". Centrists also outnumber progressives, by a lot, remember that. People like progressive policies, in theory, but trusting a politician to do something is very different from voting for say, a tepid minimum wage increase (which does exactly what it says, period).
Bernie would have not picked up any extra votes compared to Biden, but he would have lost those centrist votes. How does fewer votes translate to a win?
i think that your conclusion that 'those centrists would have said "well trump is bad, but bernie is just too much" is the wrong conclusion considering the "vote blue no matter who" thing was shoved down everyone's throats two years before the election, and also doesn't take into account the youth vote, the spite vote that voted for trump because bernie got screwed, and even some trump voters who just hate corporate business as usual politicians but wouldn't be half as put off by bernie's populism.
the wrong conclusion considering the “vote blue no matter who” thing was shoved down everyone’s throats two years before the election
And if Bernie was the nominee, the messaging would have changed immediately. These people have no sense of shame or morals.
doesn’t take into account the youth vote
The youth vote is irrelevant, and all young people cucked for daddy Joe anyway.
, the spite vote that voted for trump because bernie got screwed, and even some trump voters who just hate corporate business as usual politicians but wouldn’t be half as put off by bernie’s populism.
All of those people are gone. They were a potential vote for Bernie 2016. In 2020, they are fully MAGA or QAnon, or at the very least, they are the people bitching about Covid lockdowns and such. They aren't there like they used to be, especially after the Bernie campaign got taken over by the AOC-crowd this time (those people are toxic to the mythical "disaffected non-voters"). The second that people shit on Bernie for going on the Joe Rogan show, it was obvious that his chances were zero.
Bernie would have gotten blown the fuck out in the general election, and it would have set back Leftist politics in the US by at least 5 years, if not 10.
Capitalism is global now, and beyond the US's control. Bernie, in some miracle land where he won and was able to enact any of his agenda, at all, would at the very least make things less miserable, both for Americans and abroad. Would it have stabilized Capitalism? No, because the rate of profit would still go down. The business cycle wouldn't disappear. It would likely make things better for the Left when the next crisis happened, though, because his Presidency would "break the seal" and re-teach the population things like:
Class consciousness. Americans weren't always completely well-behaved, good cucks for their boss.
Solidarity with the global working class. Opposition to the Vietnam War was equal or stronger among older people than the youth in the late 60s!
The fact that the government is in fact capable of doing things. Ever since Saint Reagan came on the scene with his infamous wit and charm, we've accepted as a society that anything done collectively or through the State is doomed to fail. This is a huge mental block that has to be
All three of those things can be done without the President, of course. But having someone in the Exectuive Branch who actively champions those ideas speeds up the process.
you've been on reddit too long.
Lmao, Reddit is the place full of delusional idiots who think Bernie would have won.
Bernie probably would have won in 2016. There's no way he would have won in 2020. Biden barely won thanks to moderates who would have taken any excuse to not vote for Sanders. It's pure cope to say Bernie would have won because saying otherwise is admitting that Chuck Schumer was right.
shitty take. bernie would have won easily had he not been screwed in the primary this cycle. the entirety of the reason that biden won was because "he's not trump." even centrists admit he's a fucking demented fossil and they only voted for him to spite donald trump.
This is exactly my point! If Bernie would have run, those centrists would have said "well Trump is bad, but Bernie is just too much, I just don't know, it's all bad". Centrists also outnumber progressives, by a lot, remember that. People like progressive policies, in theory, but trusting a politician to do something is very different from voting for say, a tepid minimum wage increase (which does exactly what it says, period).
Bernie would have not picked up any extra votes compared to Biden, but he would have lost those centrist votes. How does fewer votes translate to a win?
i think that your conclusion that 'those centrists would have said "well trump is bad, but bernie is just too much" is the wrong conclusion considering the "vote blue no matter who" thing was shoved down everyone's throats two years before the election, and also doesn't take into account the youth vote, the spite vote that voted for trump because bernie got screwed, and even some trump voters who just hate corporate business as usual politicians but wouldn't be half as put off by bernie's populism.
And if Bernie was the nominee, the messaging would have changed immediately. These people have no sense of shame or morals.
The youth vote is irrelevant, and all young people cucked for daddy Joe anyway.
All of those people are gone. They were a potential vote for Bernie 2016. In 2020, they are fully MAGA or QAnon, or at the very least, they are the people bitching about Covid lockdowns and such. They aren't there like they used to be, especially after the Bernie campaign got taken over by the AOC-crowd this time (those people are toxic to the mythical "disaffected non-voters"). The second that people shit on Bernie for going on the Joe Rogan show, it was obvious that his chances were zero.
the only people that shat on bernie for going on joe rogan were idiot libs on reddit, where you spent way too much of your time.
And those people are a poison pill. How do you tell them to shut the fuck up? You can't because those "idiot libs" are the Leftist base!
More garbage from a "leftist"
we're all capable of less than stellar takes, this is a better one by OP
Nah, delusional "progressives" can't accept that Chuck Schumer was more correct about the American electorate than a bunch of DSA kids.