You bring this up a lot but the only game I can think of that comes close to matching this description is TLOU, and I wouldn't call that a bad game and I don't think the narrative is inherently right wing or anything. Obviously chuds did end up loving it because their reaction to TLOU2 shows they were attached to Joel (despite Joel being a morally grey character at best, who was always going to meet the violent end that he did meet. And I think Naughty Dog intended for that so I think much like characters like Walter White they didn't really write the character to have the hero worship he got.) Also does the camera ogle Ellie in the original? I haven't actually played the game lmao but I'm not aware of it doing so and it doesnt in the footage I've seen. I think perverts that sexualized her just imposed their sexuality on her regardless.
Bioshock Infinite has the daughter figure that gets male gazed, but I dont think she's underage? And the enemies aren't dehumanized others really. Its also a mess of a game narratively that both sides racism of course but yaknow.
If there's other games like that I'm not aware of them. Or I'm forgetting about them.
Not trying to challenge or argue just kind of curious what games you are referring to when you say this.
OK I'm mostly with you here. I'm putting my foot down on The Walking Dead Telltale game being included in this! Clementine isn't sexualized in the slightest, not a teenager, and is a well developed character with her own agency. And the relationship between her and Lee is sweet, not weird. I know your focus is the narrative device in general but I feel icky putting Clem in the same category as Elizabeth lol.
It also helps that Clem becomes the player character in the sequels.
Also I havent played the Witcher games but from what I know of them I think Ciri deserves a bit more credit than that as well, even if I can see how it fits into the general category of the plot device.
ETA: No arguments about the prevalence of fridging though.
The Walking Dead Telltale game tells its own story separate from the comics/show, which contain a lot more shitty fridging and disposable women (though too be fair, its a anyone can die type of story so there's plenty of men dying too lol, the show has a bad habit of killing of its black and gay characters though regardless of gender and there is definitly elements of fridging women). I still personally enjoy it but it has a lot of problems. But the first Telltale Walking Dead is to me a masterpiece of emotional storytelling and the Lee/Clem relationship doesnt really follow the same tropes you're talking about. I think someone's wife does die in that one but its not the player character's wife and like... lots of people die in that lol. In fact thinking of it of the two charachters other than Clem who survive one has a dead wife and kid and one is a woman with a dead boyfriend so yeah its pretty equal opportunity. Oh wait I forgot the one with a dead racist dad lol. But anyway I'm info dumping.
Obviously the worker abuse shit was terrible lol but while the rest of the company's output is mixed bag the first Walking Dead game is very, very good and I wouldn't put Clem in that category even if there might be some appeal for gamers who want to PROTECC DAUGHTER for chuddy reasons.
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Lol i have that but because of trauma so
Doesn't mean I wish violence to get the love i'm missing.
You bring this up a lot but the only game I can think of that comes close to matching this description is TLOU, and I wouldn't call that a bad game and I don't think the narrative is inherently right wing or anything. Obviously chuds did end up loving it because their reaction to TLOU2 shows they were attached to Joel (despite Joel being a morally grey character at best, who was always going to meet the violent end that he did meet. And I think Naughty Dog intended for that so I think much like characters like Walter White they didn't really write the character to have the hero worship he got.) Also does the camera ogle Ellie in the original? I haven't actually played the game lmao but I'm not aware of it doing so and it doesnt in the footage I've seen. I think perverts that sexualized her just imposed their sexuality on her regardless.
Bioshock Infinite has the daughter figure that gets male gazed, but I dont think she's underage? And the enemies aren't dehumanized others really. Its also a mess of a game narratively that both sides racism of course but yaknow.
If there's other games like that I'm not aware of them. Or I'm forgetting about them.
Not trying to challenge or argue just kind of curious what games you are referring to when you say this.
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OK I'm mostly with you here. I'm putting my foot down on The Walking Dead Telltale game being included in this! Clementine isn't sexualized in the slightest, not a teenager, and is a well developed character with her own agency. And the relationship between her and Lee is sweet, not weird. I know your focus is the narrative device in general but I feel icky putting Clem in the same category as Elizabeth lol.
It also helps that Clem becomes the player character in the sequels.
Also I havent played the Witcher games but from what I know of them I think Ciri deserves a bit more credit than that as well, even if I can see how it fits into the general category of the plot device.
ETA: No arguments about the prevalence of fridging though.
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The Walking Dead Telltale game tells its own story separate from the comics/show, which contain a lot more shitty fridging and disposable women (though too be fair, its a anyone can die type of story so there's plenty of men dying too lol, the show has a bad habit of killing of its black and gay characters though regardless of gender and there is definitly elements of fridging women). I still personally enjoy it but it has a lot of problems. But the first Telltale Walking Dead is to me a masterpiece of emotional storytelling and the Lee/Clem relationship doesnt really follow the same tropes you're talking about. I think someone's wife does die in that one but its not the player character's wife and like... lots of people die in that lol. In fact thinking of it of the two charachters other than Clem who survive one has a dead wife and kid and one is a woman with a dead boyfriend so yeah its pretty equal opportunity. Oh wait I forgot the one with a dead racist dad lol. But anyway I'm info dumping.
Obviously the worker abuse shit was terrible lol but while the rest of the company's output is mixed bag the first Walking Dead game is very, very good and I wouldn't put Clem in that category even if there might be some appeal for gamers who want to PROTECC DAUGHTER for chuddy reasons.
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