If Marxism is a science, then it must be testable and falsifiable. At least, that's my understanding of the scientific process. It's why Freud for example is considered unscientific. This theories have a lot of wiggle room, where any result can be turned into a proof or explained away.

Isn't this what we do with the various leftist projects? I don't know, I'm just confused why it is called a science and not, like, philosophy.

  • gammison [none/use name]
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    4 years ago

    Yeah it's not evaluative, like you're not supposed to calculate it precisely. Here I'll attach some pages of Marx's Inferno that explain my view in a pastebin.

    And here's one of the footnotes worth putting up:

    I will say that almost all criticisms of Marx on this front presuppose that Marx advances a labor theory of value as an economist, and, since “the central problem of economic inquiry” is “the explanation of the formation of price” (Roll, A History of Economic Thought, 373), the criticisms assume that Marx intends to explain the formation of price by appeal to the labor time necessary for the items bearing prices. It will be easy enough to see from my argument in the main text that I do not think Marx is at all interested in explaining price formation, and that, therefore, the vast majority of criticisms simply miss the target. In this conviction I follow the lines of what is generally called value-form theory. An influential early partisan of the position is Elson, who writes: “It is not [for Marx] a matter of seeking an explanation of why prices are what they are and finding it in labour. But rather of seeking an understanding of why labour takes the forms it does, and what the political consequences are” (“The Value Theory of Labour,” 123). Marx bases himself in a social ontology of cooperation, according to which he can say, for instance, that “social” “denotes the co-operation of several individuals” ( MECW, 5:43; MEGA, I.5:19). Different forms of society, including the global bourgeois society constituted by market interactions, are different forms of cooperation. It is this notion of society as shared labor, that grounds Marx’s conviction that the value of commodities, which mediates their circulation in commercial society, must be the form labor takes in that society.

    • PermaculturalMarxist [they/them]
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      4 years ago

      Thank you, this clears a lot of things up. One quote from what you linked that really helped was:

      Marx denies that the value of commodities is determined by the labor actually spent on them; it is rather the labor necessary to produce them in a socially average way that determines their value.

      I had always read that a product isn't a commodity unless it is socialy useful and can be exchanged but I was still unclear of its implications and how it refutes this mechanical idea of value.