I've been involved in occultist/metaphysical/pagan/new age spirituality the majority of my life and enjoy talking about it. So lay it on my comrades!

  • quartz242 [she/her]
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    What you described is how I view high and low magick or left hand / right hand path.

    High / right hand magick is about influencing the self and experiencing other means of conciousness, while low/left hand is about manipulating the world around you.

    Crowley has some good texts liber 777 is good but I disagree with his penchant for drugs. If you cant trance or maintain a force of will sober why would you do a ritual inebriated.

      • quartz242 [she/her]
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        4 years ago

        Without a doubt! Super powerful tools for when you want to use them. Personally I wanted to develop some ability and confidence before using an Entheogen

    • NeoAnabaptist [any]
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      4 years ago

      What is an interesting example of low/left hand magic that you've done?

      • quartz242 [she/her]
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        When I got fired for union organizing I cursed the business which subsequently shut down during covid about a month later.

        Also had some good results from money magick, found a $100 bill on the ground a week after doing one.

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          4 years ago

          Do you see practical revolutionary uses for this? Are you hoping to go down that road?

          • quartz242 [she/her]
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            4 years ago

            In regards to material changes not really, taking material action is how you make material changes but I do think it's useful for finding what ones own pinnacle is useful for an individuals contribution. The development of the lower dan Tian was useful to Chinese soldiers.

            Also philosophically I find the permanent revolution to be applicable to the tipareth sephira, while neoliberalism the path between chesed and netzach while an anarchistic approach could be cached in geburah to hod.

    • Eris235 [undecided]
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      Oh yeah, both he and Discordanism stuff has big drug themes, which I have some issues with. At the same point, while I've avoided drugs for personal reasons, both the occult books and beat generation books spoke to me a lot with their discussions of altered consciousnesses, and depictions of hallucinations, so even if I don't directly agree with it, those types of writing have still been very useful for me to find my own sort of stability.

      • quartz242 [she/her]
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        4 years ago

        Right! And when you see scrying to me that is quieting the self enough for the stream of conciousness to flow and with practice a stream of images, but discernment has always been important to me to validate my experiences and it's hard to do that on drugs.