cross-posted from: https://lemmygrad.ml/post/2139382

It seems most cross tendency engagement devolves in to fights between leftcoms/anarchists vs AES supporters or “Dengists” vs Maoists. Anyone can point at each other and say “they started it” and avoid responsibilities. We agree on 90% of stuff but Anarchists decide to randomly call us tankies and we feel the need to defend ourselves or else look like we lost without an argument. Likewise we make memes about Anarkiddies and write texts denouncing them and they feel the same. Among scientific socialists we see China as an ally and an example to learn from while Maoists want to call out “revisionism.” There seems to be a contradiction between the history of different socialist experiments and disagreements not really mattering to our own conditions and those experiments also being vital learning experiences for us.

It’s strange to think about how we pretty much agree with Patsocs on more than almost any other tendency yet they are almost useless because they don’t understand the basic dialectical method and why have our positions beyond aesthetics and thus cannot understand the basic material conditions of this country.

We can keep trying to bring more people into our own sects and hope they do work for our own type of socialism irl, but if we’re so divided how can this happen. Of course we should all just log off and do things irl, but then some will fall into the trap of either larping or just helping their own friends without the wider goal of revolution.

We all need to remember that the feds let us speak because we spend all our time bickering. How can we unify as a revolutionary left? There are projects irl for trying to find unity as scientific socialists like ChunkaLuta, but it would be nice to be able to do the same online. In a way I’m just wishing everyone could just listen to revleft and everything could work out, but what can Lemmygrad and hexbear do for this vision?

  • D61 [any]
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    1 year ago

    Depends on the take. At some point, there's gotta be some thing, some goal, some idea that you don't compromise on.

    • Serdan@lemm.ee
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      1 year ago

      I was in the middle of a conversation about pros and cons of Wikipedia when I got banned on genzedong.

      Apparently the thing they don't compromise on is Wikipedia being a CIA front.

      • BurgerPunk [he/him, comrade/them]
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        1 year ago

        Banned @Serdan@lemm.ee from the community genzedong@lemmygrad.ml reason: repeatedly describing the "Holodomor" as a man-made famine

        You were spouting nazi propaganda so fuck off

        • Serdan@lemm.ee
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          1 year ago

          I would also have described the Irish famine as man-made, but part of the conversation was about whether the term makes sense at all.

          I thought the Nazi line was that it was genocide?

            • Serdan@lemm.ee
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              1 year ago

              In the context of an encyclopedia the points that matter are:

              • Is it a meaningful distinction, and
              • Is it applied consistently

              Both were part of the conversation.

              Btw, I've been a socialist my entire life. Immediately alienating people for not having fully formed perfect opinions on every subject is some real echochamber bs.