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    • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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      1 year ago

      Well yes. One is the result of a bloodthirsty and corrupt military dictatorship which is directly responsible for the deaths of millions, whereas the other is the People's Republic of China.

      However, both are China as you can see from the names they've chosen for themselves.

      • lud@lemm.ee
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        1 year ago

        One is one of the most democratic countries in the world and PRC is one of the most undemocratic countries of the world.

        • umbrella@lemmy.ml
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          1 year ago

          "one of the most democratic countries in the world" might be a bit of a stretch here

          • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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            1 year ago

            Democracy is when you spend several decades murdering and repressing all leftist political opposition. The more leftists to murder and suppress, the more democratic it is.

            • State Department Handbook, probably
            • lud@lemm.ee
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              1 year ago

              Democracy is when the people can vote for their politicians instead of countries like the PRC where they are forced.

              • Pili@lemmygrad.ml
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                1 year ago

                Democracy is when the people can vote for their politicians instead of countries like the PRC where they are forced. a selection of candidates handpicked by the US government.

                • lud@lemm.ee
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                  1 year ago

                  Do you have any proof of that happening or did you just make that up as usual?

                  • RustyVenture [he/him]
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                    1 year ago

                    Do you have any proof that PRC citizens are forced to vote lol what the fuck even is this shit man.

                    spoiler

                    projection

              • freagle@lemmygrad.ml
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                1 year ago

                If you were forced to vote for people would you be satisfied or dissatisfied with your government?

                Then why does China have a 95.5% approval rating for their government that spans 15 years?

                  • freagle@lemmygrad.ml
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                    1 year ago

                    Harvard spent 15 years conducting a massive and thorough research project.

                    https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2020/07/long-term-survey-reveals-chinese-government-satisfaction/

                    • lud@lemm.ee
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                      1 year ago

                      Interesting. I wonder how it will look in maybe 50 years or so.

                      It's impressive how far they have come in such a short time, but I wonder for how long the population will be content by that.

                      It's a shame about the rising corruption and inequality, hopefully they will try and improve on that. The very high degrees of censorship and propaganda is also not something I am a huge fan of.

                      • freagle@lemmygrad.ml
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                        1 year ago

                        No one gives a shit what you're a fan of. Do you have any idea how much more developed the Western propaganda machine is, and for how much longer it's been operating? Do you realize that Forbes Magazine, created from the Forbes financier fortune, was built on the genocidal railroad projects that Forbes invested his family fortune in? Do you know where that fortune came from? Opium sales in China. Forbes sold drugs in China, and when China tried to ban opium, the British merchants, who owned the newspapers, wrote articles demanding war because China violated British sovereignty with this act of defense. And from that propaganda, Britain took Hong Kong, Shanghai, and multiple other port cities.

                        The West is the dominant producer of propaganda in the world.

              • brain_in_a_box [he/him]
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                1 year ago

                Australia also forces their people to vote, are we also "one of the most undemocratic countries in the world"

        • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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          1 year ago

          Only the PRC is recognized as a country under international law. The RoC government squatting in Taiwan Province is legally no different to the ISIS occupation of parts of Iraq.

          The PRC is one of the few truly sovereign states in the world, able to resist American domination on its own terms. The residents of Taiwan Province get to vote between stooges of American imperialism and stooges of Japanese imperialism.

          • lud@lemm.ee
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            1 year ago

            The rest of the world is seemingly too scared to upset the PRC so many won't recognize Taiwan. Many countries maintain unofficial relationships.

            It's obviously a country and it's useless discussing this further with a tankie.

            The PRC is one of the few truly sovereign states in the world, able to resist American domination on its own terms.

            How do you define "American domination" and what other countries do you consider to be affected by it? Personally I don't feel dominated by idiots.

            • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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              1 year ago

              It's obviously a country and it's useless discussing this further with a tankie.

              Renowned Tankies, the states parties to the Montevideo Convention. Hardcore Stalinists, the lot of them!

              How do you define "American domination" and what other countries do you consider to be affected by it?

              "It's useless discussing with a Tankie!", proceeds to discuss with a Tankie. Very good rhetoric, 10/10.

              • lud@lemm.ee
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                1 year ago

                So you can't define it. What a shocker.

                Sometimes it's just funny to discuss things with morons. It makes you feel like a genius in comparison.

                • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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                  1 year ago

                  I thought it was pointless to discuss with me? Which one is it? Retract one of your two contradictory statements and I'll happily define whatever you want.

      • lud@lemm.ee
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        1 year ago

        They don't want to be reunified under a PRC government like the PRC wants, instead they have a claim on present PRC territory.

        Taiwan is independent nowadays though.

        • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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          1 year ago

          Taiwan is independent nowadays though.

          Independence from China is when one of the emblems of your armed forces is this:

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          • AssortedBiscuits [they/them]
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            1 year ago

            And speaking of the ROC Marine Corps, the ROC claims more parts of the South China Sea than the PRC (11 dash line vs 9 dash line), but unlike its claims of Mongolia, which is treated as a joke that no one takes seriously, the ROC is very serious in its pursuit of its claims to the SCS by building naval bases and holding regular naval exercises. Here's Vietnam diplomatically telling the ROC to fuck off from the Spratly Islands.

            A Republic of Taiwan has no conceivable grounds to pursuit any claims to the SCS because the SCS is nowhere close to what the territorial waters of a hypothetical ROT would be and a ROT is not part of any international treaty which a ROT could use to justify de jure control. But it's not claiming the SCS as a ROT but as the ROC. And unlike a ROT, the ROC as China does have international agreement which would give it de jure control over the SCS. This is how you know Taiwanese separatism is farcical. It's all "Taiwan is culturally and politically distinct from China" until the SCS is involved then it's suddenly, "aktually as the Republic of China, these are Chinese water and thus our territorial waters since we are the Republic of China you see." But then again, what else do you expect from the political (and literal) descendants of Japanese fascist collaborators who (not so secretly) wish they were Japanese?