That's from yesterday. Today there was an implementation of the defense production act to increase vaccine production, a federal property and transit mask mandate, OSHA requirements, and compensation for state government's pandemic programs. I do not know why you are so concerned with fairness but ok, I'm glad you're being fair.
listen here jack (sorry I had to; also...uh, let me be clear I'm not coming at you with the rest of this comment)
Idk how it's going to play out for sure but making strong predictions about no difference between the two on covid in particular seems like a bad tactic, shit like this is something technocrats can actually handle (i.e. katrina vs. sandy).
The thing to highlight is that it's still going to be racist/corrupt (i.e. vaccine distribution is going to be in disproportionately white/affluent places), and the fundamental contradiction that the guvmint can set up free vaccine clinics but somehow nationalized health care is impossible. If there's a giveaway to insurers in the form of bullshit public-private partnerships (likely), that's another thing to hammer on as well. Also that the guvmint can do this for vaccine distribution but absolutely refuses to even do the half-assed shit other places in the anglosphere are doing to folks sliding into destitution due to the economic situation is another good one.
But pretending like these people obsessed with plans didn't have one when they very obviously did just feeds into the handwaving libs do when we rightfully point out that they're all the same. Materially, they are--but there's no material analysis in 'both sides no plans'.
This is going to sound a little more peppery than it should, but try not to take it personally.
There's no material analysis in implying that Biden is accomplishing things already. Which is the point of contention in this chain. I said that when nothing changes they'll scapegoat Trump. I said that to say Biden is being slow or ineffective, will result in you being called a right winger. We know that because that's already happened with criticisms of the DNC in general. Democrats scapegoating Republicans for their inaction already happens. Things that do happen, can happen. It's not some wild and crazy prediction. It's an observation.
We know Biden likely didn't have a plan until recently because he never talked about it in any detail while running against the guy who was botching the pandemic response. At best he said shit like "We're going to work on getting a vaccine" which is just nothing. That's not a plan. He hid all summer during the campaign and had noting to really show for it. If they did have a plan all along and just refused to show us, then that's stupid as shit and not a real defense from my criticisms. They effectively had no plan at that point.
So I get a reply about how he's not being slow. He's not being slow because he signed a couple dozen EOs in his first two days. Even though I didn't say he was slow. And the person replying seems to be in that mode where they're critical of Biden but they also want to be fair and measured and say the correct things when he does something okay. Then you reply to me later with that same attitude. The libs will never, ever appreciate you for being honest. If you're honest, they'll make up dishonesty. They will hand-wave your criticisms no mater how measured or tactful or factual they are. Hence my second post talking about fairness. We don't have to say that Biden signing EOs is doing something. I can be super nitpicky and go through the EOs and explain how each one helps or doesn't. But I don't feel like it.
Yes I'm being uncharitable to him. He doesn't deserve a fair shake. It's okay to be unfair to him. We know that the real solution here is a federal intervention that almost all of the government is unwilling to do. So any so-called solutions outside of that is failure. He's chosen failure. The vaccines are less effective than new strains. 100M vaccines in 100 days means vaccines will be that much less effective in 100 days. Because by then we could have a ton of new strains. We could have new strains because people are not being paid to stay home. Nothing is really shut down. And part of Biden's plan is to open up schools this quarter, ie within that 100 days. He wants to open everything up just like Trump and Republicans. Hence, nothing will change. Because they're all refusing to do the one thing that would actually dramatically change things.
This helps the libs because we talk ourselves down on these issues. We've already conceded that Biden won't do a real lockdown. So that's off the table. Then the next best thing won't happen so that gets taken off the table too. Next thing you know our options is just giving out shots during a pandemic or literally doing nothing. He does the shots, and therefore that's the measure of success. He did the bare minimum. To expect or to criticism him for not doing more is unfair. It's like the Overton Window thing. Drag the conversation so it centers around these slight marginal increases in some metrics. But the problem ultimately isn't solved or changed in a material way.
That's from yesterday. Today there was an implementation of the defense production act to increase vaccine production, a federal property and transit mask mandate, OSHA requirements, and compensation for state government's pandemic programs. I do not know why you are so concerned with fairness but ok, I'm glad you're being fair.
listen here jack (sorry I had to; also...uh, let me be clear I'm not coming at you with the rest of this comment)
Idk how it's going to play out for sure but making strong predictions about no difference between the two on covid in particular seems like a bad tactic, shit like this is something technocrats can actually handle (i.e. katrina vs. sandy).
The thing to highlight is that it's still going to be racist/corrupt (i.e. vaccine distribution is going to be in disproportionately white/affluent places), and the fundamental contradiction that the guvmint can set up free vaccine clinics but somehow nationalized health care is impossible. If there's a giveaway to insurers in the form of bullshit public-private partnerships (likely), that's another thing to hammer on as well. Also that the guvmint can do this for vaccine distribution but absolutely refuses to even do the half-assed shit other places in the anglosphere are doing to folks sliding into destitution due to the economic situation is another good one.
But pretending like these people obsessed with plans didn't have one when they very obviously did just feeds into the handwaving libs do when we rightfully point out that they're all the same. Materially, they are--but there's no material analysis in 'both sides no plans'.
This is going to sound a little more peppery than it should, but try not to take it personally.
There's no material analysis in implying that Biden is accomplishing things already. Which is the point of contention in this chain. I said that when nothing changes they'll scapegoat Trump. I said that to say Biden is being slow or ineffective, will result in you being called a right winger. We know that because that's already happened with criticisms of the DNC in general. Democrats scapegoating Republicans for their inaction already happens. Things that do happen, can happen. It's not some wild and crazy prediction. It's an observation.
We know Biden likely didn't have a plan until recently because he never talked about it in any detail while running against the guy who was botching the pandemic response. At best he said shit like "We're going to work on getting a vaccine" which is just nothing. That's not a plan. He hid all summer during the campaign and had noting to really show for it. If they did have a plan all along and just refused to show us, then that's stupid as shit and not a real defense from my criticisms. They effectively had no plan at that point.
So I get a reply about how he's not being slow. He's not being slow because he signed a couple dozen EOs in his first two days. Even though I didn't say he was slow. And the person replying seems to be in that mode where they're critical of Biden but they also want to be fair and measured and say the correct things when he does something okay. Then you reply to me later with that same attitude. The libs will never, ever appreciate you for being honest. If you're honest, they'll make up dishonesty. They will hand-wave your criticisms no mater how measured or tactful or factual they are. Hence my second post talking about fairness. We don't have to say that Biden signing EOs is doing something. I can be super nitpicky and go through the EOs and explain how each one helps or doesn't. But I don't feel like it.
Yes I'm being uncharitable to him. He doesn't deserve a fair shake. It's okay to be unfair to him. We know that the real solution here is a federal intervention that almost all of the government is unwilling to do. So any so-called solutions outside of that is failure. He's chosen failure. The vaccines are less effective than new strains. 100M vaccines in 100 days means vaccines will be that much less effective in 100 days. Because by then we could have a ton of new strains. We could have new strains because people are not being paid to stay home. Nothing is really shut down. And part of Biden's plan is to open up schools this quarter, ie within that 100 days. He wants to open everything up just like Trump and Republicans. Hence, nothing will change. Because they're all refusing to do the one thing that would actually dramatically change things.
This helps the libs because we talk ourselves down on these issues. We've already conceded that Biden won't do a real lockdown. So that's off the table. Then the next best thing won't happen so that gets taken off the table too. Next thing you know our options is just giving out shots during a pandemic or literally doing nothing. He does the shots, and therefore that's the measure of success. He did the bare minimum. To expect or to criticism him for not doing more is unfair. It's like the Overton Window thing. Drag the conversation so it centers around these slight marginal increases in some metrics. But the problem ultimately isn't solved or changed in a material way.