I'm done messing around with sidequests and I want to do the two main campaing questlines, but neither side seems like it has any compelling reason to join it.
Playing as a Dunmer because that's the only race I ever play in ES.
I'm done messing around with sidequests and I want to do the two main campaing questlines, but neither side seems like it has any compelling reason to join it.
Playing as a Dunmer because that's the only race I ever play in ES.
The Stormcloaks are very racist but their lands are being occupied by a foreign empire. You can either see them as wounded nationalists who want to disengage their society from an otherwise benevolent empire ruled by people they consider racial inferiors or you can see them as a national liberation struggle.
Nah, the Nords are genocidal settler-colonizers who are trying to create a white ethnostate. Critical support for the Forsworn and, uh, the Falmer.
collecting falmer ears and forsworn hearts for alchemy
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Nords are climate refugees who sought a new land and were genocided by the Falmer who were worried by their high birthrates.
Read up on the Night of Tears.
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Don't start a race war with a giant warrior race then tbh. The Falmer attacked first and without reason. The Atmorans paid back in kind. They simply lost the genocidal war that they started. Sucks they ended with up a destroyed culture but the same happened to the Ayleids when they fucked around with humans too much as well.
The true destruction came by the hands of the Dwemer in the end anyway.
The Reach doesn't really factor in until years later either. It's not even an Old Hold. That's certainly less acceptable.
They had to leave Atmora because of civil wars and eventually the entire region freezing over. Atmora is no longer habitable.
What were the Atmorans meant to do? It isn't nice what happened but when the enemy has shown they're perfectly accepting of wiping you from the face of the continent (that you can't leave) then what are your options? They started a war with the goal of genocide.
They absolutely were expansionist later on but the Saarthal incident is not one of those occasions.
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Why did they have to kill every last man, woman and child to get the Eye of Magnus? How strange.
If you thought there was an entire civilisation out there that wanted you dead what would you do?
The Redguards killed Bretons and Orcs to claim Hammerfell. It was not uninhabited. Hell, the Redguards themselves have flattened Orsinium several times as well.
The Atmorans were living alongside the Falmer and then the Falmer just killed them all. They didn't reason, they didn't warn, they just slaughtered.
The timeline is literally: settle Saarthal, get killed by elves, come back, kill all the elves. It's as simple as that. How were the Atmorans to know otherwise? It was literally a genocidal power grab by the Falmer who underestimated the Atmorans, just as the Ayleids underestimated the Nedes.
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You are literally victim blaming. The idea that the Atmorans provoked the attack is conjecture and only appears in post-Merethic Era Elven accounts with no concrete sources backing it up. It's literally just Elven supremacy propaganda based on nothing but that the dead must have done something to deserve it.
If the Atmorans were motivated by genocide then why was their first settlement a peacefully created one? The attacks only came after the Falmer slaughtered them all bar Ysgramor and his sons. It was instigated by the Falmer.
And you really can't draw real life parallels with Zionism here. For all we know it's entirely possible that the Atmorans were given life on the Throat of the World through Kyne's Breath. Most of the races of Tamriel have some kind of mythological creation and the Atmorans are no different.
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I mean there IS a national liberation struggle going on but it's the Forsworn...on the other hand, the literal empire.
on the third hand, supporting the stormcloaks means playing into the hands of the thalmor in weakening the empire
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The Empire was founded by a Nord, they're not being colonized
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if you ignore their treatment of literally everyone who isn't a nord