A lot of anarchism is predicated on individualism, which is increasingly being challenged by non cartesian shifts in academic and popular thinking.
How do you think anarchists should navigate this shift?
I come across it the most in primmie spaces. Not Zerzan, ofcs, since the man thinks the ego is a form of oppression (what a fucking weirdo), but from folks like Landstreicher and Perlman. Perlman took the liberal idea that in primeval times we were all individuals without kin and went "this is good , actually." Landstriecher just kind of... ran with Stirner to the exclusion of almost everything else. The only anti-civ egoist I've seen with a response to it is Alejandro De Acosta who argued that you can read the Unique as referring to a collectivity and The Unique and Its Property still makes sense.
But like, it doesn't seem limited to the anti-civ individualists. I often see Crimethinc. putting out individualist article claiming that democracy is suppression of the individual or that freedom is individual freedom from constraint which seems at odds with recent thinking about partial and partable selves, multitudes as selves, and the fact of interdependence down to the sub molecular level.
at this point im starting to agree with the monkey guy about ego
yeah tbh i havent heard a lot of anarchists talk about stout individualism like this person, i lean more into ansyn - ancom territory and not heard that a lot, but from that perspective i figured that was a good attempt at the question
the political compass is a 2d graph, but is actually just fake science that doesn't correspond to people's politics.
Sure, but what is a non-Cartesian shift in academic and popular thinking though? Rotating in polar coordinates instead of translating in rectangular coordinates? The phrase still doesn't make sense to me.
Descartes thought about individuals as having hard borders and a discernable essence. This is the assumption that most anarchists have made through history.
Recently, it's become popular to think about biomes of cells and microbes "holobiomes" rather than species. This is one attack on cartesian individualism.
In anthro, people have noticed that some people think about humans as having multiple distinct selves that come out in different social settings. This is called a "partible person." this is another attack on cartesian individualism.
Another observation of anthro is that some people think of individuals as having one self, but that self can be combined with another self, especially during sex. This is the "permeable person"
This makes centering a politics around the freedom of an individual fairly problematic. Not impossible, just problematic.
You get what I'm saying?
So I am going to come out and say I have no answers to any of this.
The shift towards anti-thought based elements like that are one of the main problems that create danger for us though, which while I completely get the individualism, part of the reason for this post is I dont think we can all uncoordinatedly swim through this with no problem.
Like look at how mainstream sources portray anarchism. Think they would not label us as "terrorists who just want chaos" while not even understanding what we want?
We are having a lot of the last rights we have being attacked in that same shifting viewpoint that is being leveraged against us in ways that are only going to get worse as this goes on, but I think we need to all be on the same page collectively at least to individually work from there, which with the increasing policies and censorship / surveillance is a major problem.
Either way I hope youre doing ok shit is too much right now
I'm not a tankie but if the tankies start throwing billionaires in gulags I'll be right there with them so they're alright
nope
i cant get with any state based power, even if it goes after opps
i get it but no thanks we could figure this out with action, look at how this state went after chuds and magically turned around to lump us in
ex: CIA is out here visiting black panthers over capitol riots https://www.reddit.com/r/2020PoliceBrutality/comments/kzditi/fbi_visit_black_panthers_over_riot_at_the_capitol/
^this is what state systems do to opposing groups, like it or not and thats a no from me
Well, that's not super material of you. If someone is offering a path to communism and that path is real and is happening you ought to help then achieve it. And if you don't want the tankies to win then you better be out there organizing twice as hard as they are.
I would rather have a working path to communism that I disagree with than live one more goddamn second in capitalism
ok cool but communism =/= anarchism
if i am going to fight, it will to be to ABOLISH the state, not shift to another?
there are fundamental differences and you are in a anarchist community, and why do you think i made this post?
I get it isnt much but still im not super hyped to trade a authoritarian state for another authoritarian state
What kind of anarchist community are you talking about? Individual anarchism is not leftism, that's libertarianism and is a right wing idea. Leftist anarchism is community. It is a form of communism. Honestly it's a form of communism I prefer...I think that top down state sponsored communism is less likely to be successful than bottom up community organized communism but I'm still not going to turn down a successful path forward if one appears
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i dont think you understand anarchism tbh calling anarchism right libertarianism is wrong as shit please get educated sir this is a ANARCHIST space for ANARCHISM which you clearly dont know about / are
also, ansyn / ancom
conveniently both get rid of capitalistic exploitation / state but hey you know, thats just right wing shit
plus, if you and most people think like you just typed out outside of us as anarchists, this is EXACTLY why anarchists dont want to fight for another state that will misunderstand and then hurt us
im not using them as a ideal scenario for anarchism, im saying thats what happens when you have a established state in command
i can like them but still keep my views on anarchism you get that right?
You can of course do that, I just found it a funny/ironic example to use in a thread complaining about tankies.
the purpose was to see if people were still active in the community to maybe get somewhere as anarchists by discussing the future tbh
I didnt make it specifically to talk about tankies, I mentioned that because a lot of tankies come to anarchist communities and make it a hassle, but it seemed to somewhat happen anyways
lol ive left this site so many times for this reason, but reddit isnt accessable here now so this is where im stuck
either way yep lol but how fast do you think anarchists are grouped in with terrorists this term?
i give it a week tbh things are moving fast on this, but hey 2k checks that were supposed to go out yesterday get reduced and slated to march
lol were all on lists its just what they want to DO with that list
new gun laws that make people felons in waiting? break those doors in while screaming woke symbolism for police reform
oh that platform is private and manipulating news? NOICE
still letting covid decimate at a 1:15 and growing? Whats youre problem jack wipes drool its those dang terrorists fat
I could go on but you get it
ahhhh makes sense
either way hope things are decent there (at least as much as they can)
also dont get epsteined, even if they change the laws to let them
i mean that explains why the community is so dry
but hey it was a title to get people here, and look where you commented
plus we already dont live in a individualist society, no matter what shit they tell you systemically and my sect doesnt really put forward that notion a ton, but if we want to get to a place that is actually individualistic we need to figure something out and fast
we need to figure out what we are doing with the shitshow of a future, otherwise good luck even getting people to think that anarchism is just "terrorism and chaos"
thats hot but it would be hotter if we figured out a plan for the future
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