Thanks, it is really interesting. Is there somewhere where I could learn more about gypsies and news, especially gypsies in the Balkan area?
Btw the thing about the online classes being inaccessible for some people was brought up by the left here but people were laughing and saying shit like "haha come on everyone has access to the internet lol" :doomjak:
Everything is just so bad... And I hate how powerful the new right wing government is and how impotent COVID has rendered the left... Shit sucks... And it's just so much harder to do anything for marginalized groups when even the non-marginalized groups are doing so bad.
Is there some smaller issue that should be straight forward to solve but no one does it that you can think of?
http://www.errc.org/ is really good! They don't update as frequently as they should, but it comes from Roma voices for the most part. http://www.romea.cz/ is good too if you translate the stuff.
Oh god I didn't see all that conversation. If I had, I would've went off. It is incredibly unrealistic to think everyone has Internet access -- even some Americans don't. Jeez.
Hm, I mean there's a lot of little microaggressions that happen. Like store owners following around gypsies who enter, people crossing the street as to not be close to gypsies on street, people assuming we are all liars or criminals or pickpockets. So if someone hears someone or a friend do or say shit like that, they should speak up. Little things go a long way eventually.
I mean in Greece, not this forum. Leftists did bring the issue up.
Hm, I mean there’s a lot of little microaggressions that happen. Like store owners following around gypsies who enter, people crossing the street as to not be close to gypsies on street, people assuming we are all liars or criminals or pickpockets. So if someone hears someone or a friend do or say shit like that, they should speak up. Little things go a long way eventually.
I mostly meant in terms of legislation, it goes without saying that bigotry should be addressed when it pops up, although in Greece when it comes to gypsies it is less microagression and more, like, mega-aggression. Like, gyftos is literally slang for someone who is uncivilised or rude as you probably know and it is casually used all the time.
In terms of legislation, that's hard too. I'd probably start somewhere with schooling. Like even non-segregated schools have subliminal segregation usually enforced by teachers or administration. But it's hard. In a world where stuff like free housing isn't really a thing, I'm not sure what could be done. Tsipras kinda leaned on the idea like "if you all just got educated, you would earn your equal rights" which. Lol. But still, starting at the schooling level could help.
Also god. I hate the ~G word is a slur debate cause, whatever there's intricacies there. But shit like Γύφτοι, tzigane, zigeuner. Those words really hurt.
I'm actually always confused about what most prefer to be called and what they use to describe each other. It's confusing because I have heard many of them use γύφτοι, as well as Roma and some other word that I didn't quite catch.
Tsipras kinda leaned on the idea like “if you all just got educated, you would earn your equal rights” which. Lol.
Yeah well Tsipras was the master of doing nothing whatsoever. But now Mitsotakis is even worse, and the worst thing is that he is completely unchallenged and literally all media except for like maybe one channel and a few newspapers that no one even reads any more are 100% with him. It's gross. And then you have people like Kougias who will just go on live TV and say just the most vile stuff about Roma as well as everyone else pretty much and yet he is never blacklisted for some reason.
And really covid just seems to either drive people more left or more reactionary. It’s scary.
This has happened to some extent but the thing is the left before was capable of going out and protesting, talking to people in the workplace and universities, etc. But now nothing can be done.
It's weird because you can feel the growing distrust towards the government, but it is not reflected in opinion polls AT ALL. They look almost exactly the same they looked like a year ago. Idk if they are all bullshit or it is just because Tsipras shit the bed big time and now there is no opposition. The dumbasses at KKE thought Syriza would be demonstrated to be bad and then people would flock to the REAL leftist party, KKE, but that's not how it works and instead Syriza just took the entire left down with it.
Thanks, it is really interesting. Is there somewhere where I could learn more about gypsies and news, especially gypsies in the Balkan area?
Btw the thing about the online classes being inaccessible for some people was brought up by the left here but people were laughing and saying shit like "haha come on everyone has access to the internet lol" :doomjak:
Everything is just so bad... And I hate how powerful the new right wing government is and how impotent COVID has rendered the left... Shit sucks... And it's just so much harder to do anything for marginalized groups when even the non-marginalized groups are doing so bad.
Is there some smaller issue that should be straight forward to solve but no one does it that you can think of?
http://www.errc.org/ is really good! They don't update as frequently as they should, but it comes from Roma voices for the most part. http://www.romea.cz/ is good too if you translate the stuff.
Oh god I didn't see all that conversation. If I had, I would've went off. It is incredibly unrealistic to think everyone has Internet access -- even some Americans don't. Jeez.
Hm, I mean there's a lot of little microaggressions that happen. Like store owners following around gypsies who enter, people crossing the street as to not be close to gypsies on street, people assuming we are all liars or criminals or pickpockets. So if someone hears someone or a friend do or say shit like that, they should speak up. Little things go a long way eventually.
I mean in Greece, not this forum. Leftists did bring the issue up.
I mostly meant in terms of legislation, it goes without saying that bigotry should be addressed when it pops up, although in Greece when it comes to gypsies it is less microagression and more, like, mega-aggression. Like, gyftos is literally slang for someone who is uncivilised or rude as you probably know and it is casually used all the time.
Ohhh my bad. Misread that.
In terms of legislation, that's hard too. I'd probably start somewhere with schooling. Like even non-segregated schools have subliminal segregation usually enforced by teachers or administration. But it's hard. In a world where stuff like free housing isn't really a thing, I'm not sure what could be done. Tsipras kinda leaned on the idea like "if you all just got educated, you would earn your equal rights" which. Lol. But still, starting at the schooling level could help.
Also god. I hate the ~G word is a slur debate cause, whatever there's intricacies there. But shit like Γύφτοι, tzigane, zigeuner. Those words really hurt.
I'm actually always confused about what most prefer to be called and what they use to describe each other. It's confusing because I have heard many of them use γύφτοι, as well as Roma and some other word that I didn't quite catch.
Yeah well Tsipras was the master of doing nothing whatsoever. But now Mitsotakis is even worse, and the worst thing is that he is completely unchallenged and literally all media except for like maybe one channel and a few newspapers that no one even reads any more are 100% with him. It's gross. And then you have people like Kougias who will just go on live TV and say just the most vile stuff about Roma as well as everyone else pretty much and yet he is never blacklisted for some reason.
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This has happened to some extent but the thing is the left before was capable of going out and protesting, talking to people in the workplace and universities, etc. But now nothing can be done.
It's weird because you can feel the growing distrust towards the government, but it is not reflected in opinion polls AT ALL. They look almost exactly the same they looked like a year ago. Idk if they are all bullshit or it is just because Tsipras shit the bed big time and now there is no opposition. The dumbasses at KKE thought Syriza would be demonstrated to be bad and then people would flock to the REAL leftist party, KKE, but that's not how it works and instead Syriza just took the entire left down with it.