Millions of Leaked Police Files Detail Suffocating Surveillance of China’s Uyghur Minority
theintercept.com
Invasive digital monitoring and community informants drive a system all too ready to classify Muslims in Ürümqi as extremists and terrorists.

I genuinely went to read this in good faith since it's The Intercept (I know it's not great, but it's not CNN) but decided to do a quick text search for Zenz just to make sure. And of course, the whole fucking thing is full of Zenz.

This is just ridiculous at this point. I really don't want to be a genocide-denier if there is actually one happening, but for fuck's sake this is just ridiculous, LET ME SEE ONE REPORT ON THIS WITHOUT ZENZ ALL OVER IT.

  • Pezevenk [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    But genocide is not a sliding scale. You can’t genocide “less” or “more”. It is either happening or it isn’t, and it almost certainly isn’t.

    Eh. There's things that aren't literal genocide but they are still despicable so there kind of is a "sliding scale", the semantics of the word aren't terribly important and not universally agreed upon anyways. Cultural genocide is a thing. If anything it is closer to what the original intended meaning of the word was.

    if someone wants to be a lib and say we can’t forcibly re-educate

    What is "re-education"? Forced re-education against minority groups is cultural genocide. I don't understand how you can call someone a "lib" for opposing something like that.

    There's a whole lot of that kind of shit about Muslims and about Roma in Europe and when I catch someone trying to pull of that shit I call them out for the fash they are. It's hard to say what exactly is going on in China and the cold war climate that's getting built up really sucks but no one should support this shit if this is what's happening.

    I would suggest suits him really well for not having to live under the threat that some religious terrorist(again watch the video in the link, this is not an exaggeration) is going to drive over people on the street,

    This is literally what Macron is saying. Except, like, France actually has a far larger terrorism problem.

    • TheOldRazzleDazzle [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      The word you are looking for is "ethocide." This isn't genocide at all. It's almost certainly an intentional ethocide of the Uyghurs to get them roughly assimilated to the same degree as the Hui and other Chinese Muslim groups

        • TheOldRazzleDazzle [he/him]
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          4 years ago

          It’s not genocide or ethnocide, unless you think radical Islamism is a core part of Uyghur culture.

          Eh, it's been a minority part of Uyghur culture around for almost 100 years now. That's what settler colonialism does to a people. It precedes the CCP and even the GMD.

          conflating Mandarin classes with the complete obliteration of Uyghur culture is absurd.

          I'm not. I'm conflating demolition of ancestral graveyards, intentionally depressing all group practice of religion, harrassing any family member of someone who has been previously detained, and detaining 10% or more of all Uyghur parents up to three years with ethocide. If any western country was doing the same thing it's be pretty obvious what was going on.

          Hell, all kitchen knives have to be tethered in a Uyghur-owned restaurant. Come on now!

      • Pezevenk [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        The word you are looking for is “ethocide.”

        Cultural genocide is a perfectly valid term that exists for about as long as the term genocide does. For instance the stolen generations in Australia. They weren't outright killing Aboriginals, they were forcing them to integrate by stealing their children.

      • Pezevenk [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        a term that has a very narrow legal meaning internationally

        It's only so narrow because the people who "officially" defined the term were struggling to make it not apply to themselves, pretty much. Same thing happens with all international laws.