If you wanna read my response:

https://www.reddit.com/r/AntifascistsofReddit/comments/l6w37t/alexi_navalni/glo5j8y?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

  • keki_ya [none/use name]
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    4 years ago

    I think Navalny would be a whole lot worse, if he is truly western-aligned then he might stop supporting China, Iran, Syria, Venezuela, etc. like Putin does. Obv, both are capitalist bastards and suck

    • throwaway [none/use name]
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      4 years ago

      i'm more concerned with putin's internal politics, which are absolute crap

      i would much rather choose to eliminate suffering of tens of millions of russians over stopping aid to iran or some other country...

      • keki_ya [none/use name]
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        4 years ago

        I get where you are coming from, but I just don’t see why Navalny would stop the suffering of tens of millions of Russians. He’s western-aligned, a nationalist, and a capitalist. He would just be another neoliberal bastard who sells out his country for money. He claims to be anti-corruption and pro-democracy, but those two things don’t suddenly improve the lives of tens of millions of people.

        But, since you are actually Russian, you probably understand the situation much better than me, so I could be completely wrong. I don’t want to speak as if I know the political climate in Russia more than an actual Russian

        • throwaway [none/use name]
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          4 years ago

          i in turn see where people criticizing navalny on chapo are coming from, but i suspect that most people's knowledge of the situation in russia is distorted, at least partially, in particular, i don't think people realize how much of a capitalist country russia actually is (or at least the class disparity present here), or the level of corruption that is present here: the ruling class of billionaires (with a little bit of millionaires sprinkled in the lower positions), who got rich in the chaotic and unlawful privatization of the 90s, who completely control the press, media, judicial system, who repress people for their political views, who remove funding from welfare programs... people's life expectancy, income, happiness, access to welfare are consistently falling

          this is basically ronald raegan and margaret thratcher on steroids with a sprinkle of remnants of the soviet union, in the sense that russia's ruling class doesn't even need to pretend that they're trying to serve it's people..

      • Audeamus [any]
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        4 years ago

        Navalny's promise is capitalism with fewer restraints. The repression of Putin causes less suffering than the lawless corruption of the "democratic" 90s, when rich oligarchs were allowed to roam free.

        Russia needs a revolution. But the time is not yet ripe. The majority of people are apprehensive of change and the leaders urging change are liberal capitalists who'll only make it worse.

        • throwaway [none/use name]
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          4 years ago

          most members of the opposition are particularly opposed to 90s economic system, that is, they opposite the unlawful privatization of massive previously public manufacturing plants, corruption among oligarchs and state-owned corporations, which is basically how basically all russia's billionaires were created and the leading cause of problems in russia; navalny and the opposition's views are social-democratic, you are mistaken if this is what you took from analyzing their political agenda...

          • Audeamus [any]
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            4 years ago

            most members of the opposition are particularly opposed to 90s economic system, that is, they opposite the unlawful privatization of massive previously public manufacturing plants

            Opposing it is worthless. The robbery is complete. They do not seek to reverse it.

            They're allied with libertarian and conservative parties. They also oppose state subsidies for minority regions of Russia and want to put up barriers with former SU states - those are their nationalist/nativist measures.

            Their ideology (from Wiki):

            ...в будущем и по мере развития, согласно партии, российское государство должно будет взять на себя роль арбитра, отказавшегося от активного вмешательства в общественные отношения, но следящего за тем, чтобы никто не нарушал установленных правил.

            В качестве воплощения идеи социального государства партия рассматривает задачу преодоления слишком большого экономического неравенства между россиянами, решение проблемы социальной напряжённости, а также «переход к социальному миру, основанному на принципах справедливости и равенства перед законом всех граждан России».

            В экономике партия придерживается центристских взглядов, согласно которым необходимо избегать как полной свободы экономических отношений, которая является причиной слишком большого экономического и социального неравенства, так и распределения общественных благ на уравнительной основе, что является причиной замедления экономического и социального развития.

            TL;DR Centrism, centrism, centrism. Non-interventionism.

            Any Russian party will support some social democracy. But they're not more social democratic than the status quo and the classes that would support them would be westward-looking capitalists who oppose all government intervention.

            Promising to oppose corruption is worthless, too. Ukraine has been trumpeting a total war on corruption and nothing has changed. Corruption is the natural byproduct of capitalism.