cultures are different and have different expectations. Obviously there are socioeconomic differences aswell.
I come from a majority black community where the high school grad % was 63% my grad year. The area was super poor so you have to factor that in, but graduating high school wasn’t an expectation let alone going to college.
I think expectations are just different and many eastern people agree, I mean suicide and depression in Japan, Korea and China from above average but not exceptional test grades happen for a reason, students are expected to be at the top of their class, and if they falter they are seen as lazy. Let alone someone who drops out or doesn’t care
I come from a majority black community where the high school grad % was 63% my grad year. The area was super poor so you have to factor that in, but graduating high school wasn’t an expectation let alone going to college.
do you think this was due to material conditions or black culture? assigning that to black culture is weird *.....................................................................i am a black person who grew up in a black community but would never say that we dont think of college as an expectation because we are not culturally concerned with it. thats very generalizing.
i understand that certain cultures may be as a whole, facing different material conditions which cause expectations to shift.....but id watch how far i run with this, especially if it goes in the territory of "X cultures parents care more so X are more educated" which is different than simply acknowledging material conditions races have to contend with as a feature of their marginalization
like justifying not focusing on college as cultural priorities when black people, in addition to dealing with poverty at higher rates, have been systemically pushed out of education, access to wealth (and were murdered if they ever got too uppity) etc is weird and plays into right wing/racist talking points of black people being marginalized because of their own subhuman culture
i dont know if you intended this, but fixating on culture (rather than the material conditions that usually effect that demographic) as a justification for success or lack of success is primarily a losing game with a solution that can only focus on how to "change the culture" rather than doing something actually worthwhile like making education accessible.
I am merely trying to show how differences arise in cultural expectations by showing the most extreme examples. If I were to just contrast the differences between Japan and the United State in time spent studying, high school drop out rate, or % of population going to college you wouldn’t call that racist.
Cultures are different and these differences can lead to different priorities, which leads to disparities in certain sectors
theres a HUGE difference between pointing out how long a nation studies and how that effects that nation's educational success versus lazily blaming a race's culture on the race's relative lack of success.
Japan is a country. the US is a country. Black americans ---although i dont even think we were explictly talking about only black americans here --are not a country. Black america consists of caribbean immigrants, african immigrants, mixed folks and american descendents of slavery.
Using study time to measure educational success is using hard data that has a direct and valid correlation to how successful a student might be based on how long they study.
Using anecdotes about your observations as a non black person growing up in a black community is not hard data and even if it is, it does not correlate directly to black people going into higher education.
how can you even make a generalization about black culture when so many different ethnicities, languages, countries, class ranks and more define it? You are making a racist argument.
I never made a generalization about black culture?? I simply stated how cultural expectations can influence outcome and told my own personal experience about how expectations effected my community. Not a total generalization of all black culture lol
I’m not even talking about race lmao. I’m simply talking about how cultural exceptions effect a person growing up. Sociology 1101 shit
cultures are different and have different expectations. Obviously there are socioeconomic differences aswell.
I come from a majority black community where the high school grad % was 63% my grad year. The area was super poor so you have to factor that in, but graduating high school wasn’t an expectation let alone going to college.
I think expectations are just different and many eastern people agree, I mean suicide and depression in Japan, Korea and China from above average but not exceptional test grades happen for a reason, students are expected to be at the top of their class, and if they falter they are seen as lazy. Let alone someone who drops out or doesn’t care
do you think this was due to material conditions or black culture? assigning that to black culture is weird *.....................................................................i am a black person who grew up in a black community but would never say that we dont think of college as an expectation because we are not culturally concerned with it. thats very generalizing.
i understand that certain cultures may be as a whole, facing different material conditions which cause expectations to shift.....but id watch how far i run with this, especially if it goes in the territory of "X cultures parents care more so X are more educated" which is different than simply acknowledging material conditions races have to contend with as a feature of their marginalization
like justifying not focusing on college as cultural priorities when black people, in addition to dealing with poverty at higher rates, have been systemically pushed out of education, access to wealth (and were murdered if they ever got too uppity) etc is weird and plays into right wing/racist talking points of black people being marginalized because of their own subhuman culture
i dont know if you intended this, but fixating on culture (rather than the material conditions that usually effect that demographic) as a justification for success or lack of success is primarily a losing game with a solution that can only focus on how to "change the culture" rather than doing something actually worthwhile like making education accessible.
edit* is racist
I am merely trying to show how differences arise in cultural expectations by showing the most extreme examples. If I were to just contrast the differences between Japan and the United State in time spent studying, high school drop out rate, or % of population going to college you wouldn’t call that racist.
Cultures are different and these differences can lead to different priorities, which leads to disparities in certain sectors
theres a HUGE difference between pointing out how long a nation studies and how that effects that nation's educational success versus lazily blaming a race's culture on the race's relative lack of success.
Japan is a country. the US is a country. Black americans ---although i dont even think we were explictly talking about only black americans here --are not a country. Black america consists of caribbean immigrants, african immigrants, mixed folks and american descendents of slavery.
Using study time to measure educational success is using hard data that has a direct and valid correlation to how successful a student might be based on how long they study. Using anecdotes about your observations as a non black person growing up in a black community is not hard data and even if it is, it does not correlate directly to black people going into higher education.
how can you even make a generalization about black culture when so many different ethnicities, languages, countries, class ranks and more define it? You are making a racist argument.
I never made a generalization about black culture?? I simply stated how cultural expectations can influence outcome and told my own personal experience about how expectations effected my community. Not a total generalization of all black culture lol
I’m not even talking about race lmao. I’m simply talking about how cultural exceptions effect a person growing up. Sociology 1101 shit
Culture ≠ Race