• Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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    9 months ago

    I believe that all work under capitalism is coercive and workers do not fully consent to wage labor. Sex work is work under capitalism, therefore many sex workers are not fully consenting during sex due to the coercive nature of capitalism. Sex without full consent of both participants is rape.

    • InputZero@lemmy.ml
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      9 months ago

      workers do not fully consent to wage labor

      This right here! Okay so to consent to something you need to be reasonably informed. There is no such thing as perfect knowledge so the standard is what a reasonable person (the legal definition, not the colloquial one). I'll bet you that very few people are actually reasonably informed when we take and work out jobs. How much value does your individual labour add to the economy? Not what you're paid, how much money does your work make total? Do any of us know, or even have an idea? We negotiate away our labour without knowing what that labour is actually worth. Worse than that, the person who does know will never tell you because they also pay you and it's not in their interests to tell you how much your worth.

      Workers do not fully consent to wage labour because we literally can't. We're giving concent without being informed, any other aspect of civil society that would be a crime. For employment it's just the way it goes.

      • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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        9 months ago

        This is one part of it. I also think it's important to think about how all labor under capitalism is coerced under the implicit threat of starvation and homelessness. Decisions made under duress cannot count as full consent.

  • rjs001@lemmygrad.ml
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    9 months ago

    This is ridiculous to equate the two in all cases. Jobs aren’t inherently built around that like sex work is. Jobs, in a capitalist society are but not universally. Sex work is

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      • renownedballoonthief@lemmygrad.ml
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        9 months ago

        This is such a lib take that it pains me to read it. The whole post is worth a read, btw.

        https://proletarianfeminist.medium.com/the-problem-with-the-phrase-sex-work-is-work-bdac613eb2f0

        Such a complete misunderstanding of the industry is the result of a flattening of distinctions between all work and a misunderstanding of Marxist theory. Wage labor is exploitative because of the surplus value extracted from the workers' labor. Prostitution is sexual exploitation because it feeds off of extreme vulnerability to maintain a class of prostitutes, coerces sex through money and power, and exposes those women to high amounts of rape and violence. Not all work involves coercive sex, not all work comes with the high risk of rape and male violence in whatever legal context it operates under. Not all work puts the body and it’s component parts on the market to be bought, sold, and rented at will to the highest bidder.

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          • renownedballoonthief@lemmygrad.ml
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            9 months ago

            I feel like your completely glossing over the whole increased risk of rape and violence aspect that prostitution involves compared to wage labor.

      • Urist@lemmy.ml
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        9 months ago

        It is not about sex, it is about money. Because money is something people need to live it calls in question whether or not the sex is freely given or coerced. If a person has sex with someone not because they want to do so, but because they have to, I do not think there is much difference whether or not the threat comes from say violence or starvation. If people want to have consensual sex I think that is great in all forms that can take. If the consent is contingent on monetary compensation I think there is a high chance, though admittedly not entirely certain, that the sex is being coerced in some way, which I would say constitutes rape. Why do you think it is okay to have an uneven allocation of money in a society so that those on the top can do with those on the bottom as they want?

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          • Urist@lemmy.ml
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            9 months ago

            It was not my intention to put words in your mouth, but to put to words what myself, and maybe others, think is wrong with sex work and why it is not "a profession like any other". It has never been about it being morally okay to offer sex. It is about it being morally not okay to ask for it in exchange for money. While we are at it I think the real consequences of allowing for sex work is not empowering women, but extending the grip of the patriarchy, whose tool is money, to realms were they should not be.

  • sooper_dooper_roofer [none/use name]
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    9 months ago

    If sex work is bad because a woman's sexuality should be saved for her husband,
    And if the husband's role is to provide work in turn for his wife's sexual access,
    And if being gay is bad,

    What does it make you when you go work for another man?

      • sooper_dooper_roofer [none/use name]
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        9 months ago

        working for other people is thus a sexual transaction, and therefore if you work for the same gender you are gay
        I should clarify that I didn't make these rules, they did