Liberals unironically get pissed all the time about people saying "we didn't execute enough Nazis" and "we should've executed every single person who participated in enslaving black people after the civil war." They legitimately lose their minds over it, and the only reason I can assume they do so is because somewhere deep down they know they would have joined the Wehrmacht (I'll be nice to them) and served the Nazis. They know they would've be a white hired worker for a plantation owner and held down slaves while they got punished for trying to escape or not picking cotton fast enough or whatever.
And off topic, but kind of not, in Band of Brothers (show about the US Army 101st Airborne during WWII) Maj. Dick Winters, the main protagonist pretty much, a man that's represented as and, I suppose probably was, a "moral" man as far he didn't gamble, swear, commit adultery, drink alcohol or smoke, etc. But he did volunteer to be an officer in the war against Nazi Germany and not only that he volunteered knowingly for the airborne paratroopers who dropped behind enemy lines and did all the video game shit Americans, and the world now, know all about. This guy was, from whatever I know, a "good guy." WWII being pretty much the only foreign involvement that America has been on the right side of.
And how did the show end in the last like 15 minutes? He accepts the surrender of a German officer, higher ranked than him (compared across armies). And the officer offers him his sidearm in a symbolic way reminiscent of "old wars" where the head generals or king or whatever present their sword and bend the knee. Then this guy who just spent like 18 months blowing away Nazis, like a fuckload of Nazis, stands up and says "you may keep your sidearm, colonel." And then the colonel nods and goes to attention before saluting the American major who returns the fucking salute.
Then there's a goddamn another scene where a Nazi German general is surrendering but refuses to surrender to an enlisted person so Winters sends a respected American Lt. to handle the formal surrender. And they let this guy give a speech to his whole company to the tune of "you did your duty and I hope you go and live long lives now."
Incredibly long side route there, but that just shows how liberals are in the most extreme example. They had to show "honor in defeat" of the Germans. Why? I dunno. They love it though. They love that shit about institutions and "doing your duty" and if your duty was participating in a genocidal government's blood and soil war campaign to conquer all of Europe and the USSR? Well, so what? You can't say that general should've been shot! He was honorable! Those plantation masters were good southern gentleman! Look at Robert E Lee! So respectful!
I really hate liberals and this last week has made me realize and see what I always knew, but I can't make excuses at all anymore. They're every bit as bloodthirsty and nationalistic and racist and everything else as the conservatives. They just don't like to advertise it until they "have a reason" but oh boy, give them a reason and they're signing up for the Wehrmacht. First in line to do their duty...
In Operation Paperclip we gave the worst of them key positions in our government. The Nazis didn't lose WWII, they sold out German soldiers to join forces with the American ruling class.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip
I prefer saying "the third Reich lost, and the fourth Reich was born." Or "the German fascists lost, and the American fascists won."
The immediate turn after the war against the fascists of the world into the US fighting socialism... just like the fascists were doing is pretty much irrefutable proof. Unless one adopts the moronic mindset that America is "good" and was justified to do multiple wars including genocides not unlike what the German Nazis did against the "evil" USSR and other socialist countries.
But yes this example overall also shows the liberal attitude of "well, yeah, Nazis are bad but he was a scientist! He's smart! Not like those other evil guys like Hitler! It made sense to use his mind to help us... against the dirty commies!" (And yes I know many of the third reich's high command was highly educated holding PhDs, JDs, MDs.)
They legitimately lose their minds over it, and the only reason I can assume they do so is because somewhere deep down they know they would have joined the Wehrmacht (I’ll be nice to them) and served the Nazis.
I’ve met people (online) who openly admitted this.
It's been repeated a lot over the years. People tend to distance themselves from slave stuff, but the Wehrmacht is given a pass. Goes hand in hand with the purposeful myth around "Germans didn't know" when all evidence points to everyone knowing.
Hitler & co: "We'll kill everyone who isn't us!"
Germans: "Yay! Kill them all! Here's my vote!"
Hitler & co: does what they say they'll do
USSR: "Hey look at all the terrible shit the Germans are doing."
Germans: "How could we have known! We've been bamboozled! Woe is us!"
Genocidal rhetoric for years, people speaking about extermination come into power, laws passed that legalize theft from those who were spoken about being genocided, police openly begin beating and killing them in public, random citizens do the same with no repercussions and also rob them... fast forward years "wow, but who knew they were all being murdered?"
They 100% would be making that argument during the time period(ignoring for a minute that the US still has slavery anyway). Heck, they still do, I grew up going to a school where our teachers seriously argued that the slaves were better off as slaves, with a much higher quality of life.
A few highlights I remember were them saying "slaves were usually never beaten because that would affect their ability to work" and "it gave structure to their life". Also "most slave owners were good people who were friends with their slaves".
My teacher said "At least they got food and housing."
The fucking South.
Meanwhile the South dismantles POC's ability to get food and housing.
Yeah Indiana gives the same education: "Look at this kind slave master! He is letting his slaves have a BBQ!" type of shit. Also remember doing assignments with prompts like "What are the pros and cons of slavery?" as if slavery has pros. As an adult... I wish I weren't such a "good kid".
Indiana also praises indebtured servitude. "Isn't this system great! Makes so much sense, if you owe someone money, you should be their slave for 7 years to pay it off instead of going to prison when you can't pay it back normally."
It's so racist here...and there's so many flavors of it...you can't escape it
All this week I keep thinking about/looking up Haitian revolution images too...
As an object has no moral responsibility, a slave owes no mercy to their master. Death to slavers.
Good sense of movement in this picture. There are plenty of old pictures where people are just kind of awkwardly holding weapons without actually using them, but this particular slave master is totally fucked. I can see what's going to happen.
quite a relatable image
I get the impression that similar events will be unfolding more and more!A lot of liberals still believe Nat Turner was a villain. That being said, his guys did kill children so that didn't help the historical lens.
