It’s true that there are still plenty of groups that are paraphyletic because the relationships are still being determined, but the lowest category that includes all tailed monkeys is Simiiformes, which does include apes. To my knowledge, scientists tend to avoid quibbling about the term “monkey” these days, in part because tons of non-scientists use it to refer to apes regularly anyways.
I guess I don’t really agree with that binary, because the language of literally millions of people like the OP already doesn’t actually clash at all with the classification reality. It’s mainly people with outdated knowledge of biology or who insist on there being one true definition of some words that get peeved when apes get called monkeys. The linguistic battle is essentially already lost for a large segment of the population and was arbitrary anyways.
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It’s true that there are still plenty of groups that are paraphyletic because the relationships are still being determined, but the lowest category that includes all tailed monkeys is Simiiformes, which does include apes. To my knowledge, scientists tend to avoid quibbling about the term “monkey” these days, in part because tons of non-scientists use it to refer to apes regularly anyways.
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I guess I don’t really agree with that binary, because the language of literally millions of people like the OP already doesn’t actually clash at all with the classification reality. It’s mainly people with outdated knowledge of biology or who insist on there being one true definition of some words that get peeved when apes get called monkeys. The linguistic battle is essentially already lost for a large segment of the population and was arbitrary anyways.
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