Like they agree with me in terms of being "team Palestine", and understands my analogies of the initial Hamas attack being like if slaves in the 1800s had tried to stage an uprising etc but still "you can't tell me terrorism is good because it's never good", even when I explain to them how non-violent protest actually working (like when schools taught us about MLK JR/civil rights etc) is propaganda...fun times.
This pretty much only works when the oppressors give in because they're afraid of any future potential violence if they refuse
One good recent example is the UPS giving into the Teamsters' demand before they even striked. Yes, you could argue that the entire process succeeded without economic violence through a strike but really, it was the threat of violence that won