Israel is claiming that some rockets launched by Hamas towards Israel went off course and hit the hospital.
I remember Russia staging a "Ukrainian missle attack", but they were so bad at it that the damage was on the side of buildings facing away from Ukraine. Should be pretty easy to check that here too...
Are you referring to this, where the NYT reports the opposite happened?
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/18/world/europe/ukraine-missile-kostiantynivka-market.html
No, this was something that happened sometime last year. I tried to find one of the articles but I wasn't able to. There was a lightly damaged building, with damage from an angle that couldn't be hit by a weapon coming from Ukraine. There were pictures showing "American" weapon fragments. It was comically bad/obvious. It was reported by Russian State media iirc.
I would be easily convinced I was wrong if you'd show any sort of proof. So take your imperialist ass and shove yourself in a wood chipper or a mineshaft if you are unwilling to spend 5 minutes googling to prove your claim or prove yourself wrong.
Well, look, we're all just a bunch of assholes on the internet. We can pretend like we have the answers but we don't. What I can say with some certainty is that Israel has a track record of bombing hospitals and the hospital that was bombed in this case had already been bombed before by Israel. You can take from that what you will.
I just don't feel like I need to have a strong opinion about this particular incident at the moment, with the limited information available. Even if it turns out that it, infact, was Hamas rocket, that still doesn't make Israel the good guys here. There's plenty to criticize them (aswell as Hamas/Palestine) for but this isn't about that. I'm a fucking idiot who barely can wrap their head around the Russia - Ukraine conflict. I don't even want to pretend to be some kind of an expert on the Israel - Palestine situation. I have my opinions but those are irrelevant, nuanced and loosely held.
How's that working out for you my dude? Did internet leftists actually fire the missile? Do you expect to find an official statement by Hamas or the IDF posted here any time soon? What possible research are you doing by posting here?
My stance on the situation briefly: State of Israel shouldn't have been put there in the first place. Zionists are religious extremists and I'm against them. Palestinians on the other hand had their land forcibly taken from them which I don't agree with, and they have every right to be pissed about it. Hamas on the other hand is religious extremst group aswell and they're indiscriminately murdering innocent civilians (as are the jewish extremists aswell) so I'm against them too. The only people I'm in favour here of are the millions of innocent civilians on the both sides who'd just want to be treated fairly and live peacefully.
So I'm biased yeah, but it's a bit more nuanced than that.
And what indiscriminate slaughter? And what do you define as a civilian? If you are illegally occupying territory and are expelled by force, you are not a civilian you are an occupier, a settler, a colonizer.
I'm not familiar with that organization so I can't comment on that. I assume they're not unless proven otherwise.
And what indiscriminate slaughter?
Attacking a music festival and murdering 260 unarmed civilians for example.
Even if I grant you that Israel is located on occupied land, that still doesn't make every Israeli an occupier because many of them were born there and had no say on the matter, and even if you count them as occupiers too I still don't think the optimal solution is to murder them.
That rave was not even in Israel, it was in land occupied after the establishment of the borders in 1948. I am sorry but if you go into an occupied country and attend a rave outside the largest open air prison in the world under protection of one of the most technologically advanced militaries in the world, and then get caught in the crossfire during a prison break I have zero sympathy for you.
Ah yes because a 1,000kg bomb that took over a thousand lives in one go "might not" level an entire building. And despite actually celebrating, it could have been an accident.
If the hospital had been leveled and 500 people died, social media would be flooded with pictures of that. Ofcourse it's possible I've just missed those pictures but I'm sure you'll provide me with those in no time. Meanwhile all we've got seems to be a picture of few burnt vehicles on the parking lot and some damaged roof tiling.
Yeah the "field of bodies" video is pretty easy to find even if you're not looking for it. I don't blame you for not wanting to see the shit, It's terrible. But don't come with some fake claim that only cars can be found. "Leveled" is a word used to mean "made rubble" sometimes and "made to be as useless and dangerous as rubble" others. This is probably the latter time, but I haven't seen videos showing the remains of the building honestly. I don't search for this shit tho
Adding to the dogpile here: IDF and Israel Twitter profiles posted videos that "proved" this, then people quoted old tweets showing that video was from the last year
Some nerd reported the post suggesting that maybe it was a Palestinian air strike. LMAO
Israel is claiming that some rockets launched by Hamas towards Israel went off course and hit the hospital.
I remember Russia staging a "Ukrainian missle attack", but they were so bad at it that the damage was on the side of buildings facing away from Ukraine. Should be pretty easy to check that here too...
Are you referring to this, where the NYT reports the opposite happened? https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/18/world/europe/ukraine-missile-kostiantynivka-market.html
No, this was something that happened sometime last year. I tried to find one of the articles but I wasn't able to. There was a lightly damaged building, with damage from an angle that couldn't be hit by a weapon coming from Ukraine. There were pictures showing "American" weapon fragments. It was comically bad/obvious. It was reported by Russian State media iirc.
Source: Trust me bro
Find something or delete this bullshit.
Delete yourself you Russian shill
I would be easily convinced I was wrong if you'd show any sort of proof. So take your imperialist ass and shove yourself in a wood chipper or a mineshaft if you are unwilling to spend 5 minutes googling to prove your claim or prove yourself wrong.
The rockets Hamas fires can barely punch a hole in a wall, and this explosion basically leveled the whole hospital. It's just a ridiculous claim.
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Yes let's give the genocidal ethnostate the benefit of the doubt here
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Is there any chance you're a bit biased here in your reasoning?
Israel does seem to have a track record of bombing hospitals, though...
I don't doubt that. This is not me defending Israel. This is me trying to figure out what's actually happening.
This is you defending Israel though.
I'm defending facts and reason. It has nothing to do with allegiance to either side despite what many seem to be suggesting here.
Classic hand-wringing. Like saying "we don't know if the earth is flat or not" despite more than enough evidence to the contrary
Well, look, we're all just a bunch of assholes on the internet. We can pretend like we have the answers but we don't. What I can say with some certainty is that Israel has a track record of bombing hospitals and the hospital that was bombed in this case had already been bombed before by Israel. You can take from that what you will.
I just don't feel like I need to have a strong opinion about this particular incident at the moment, with the limited information available. Even if it turns out that it, infact, was Hamas rocket, that still doesn't make Israel the good guys here. There's plenty to criticize them (aswell as Hamas/Palestine) for but this isn't about that. I'm a fucking idiot who barely can wrap their head around the Russia - Ukraine conflict. I don't even want to pretend to be some kind of an expert on the Israel - Palestine situation. I have my opinions but those are irrelevant, nuanced and loosely held.
And yet you keep posting and posting and posting about it. Curious.
I keep replying to users like you. So far 100% of them are from Hexbear or Lemmygrad. Curious.
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How's that working out for you my dude? Did internet leftists actually fire the missile? Do you expect to find an official statement by Hamas or the IDF posted here any time soon? What possible research are you doing by posting here?
Fucking pointless.
This is a public forum and I'm just voicing my honest opinion. If that makes you angry or uncomfortable you can just block me and be done with it.
well, this is an open forum and I am just asking you questions. Why didn't you answer them?
Yes we're biased. And so are you, and literally everyone else.
My stance on the situation briefly: State of Israel shouldn't have been put there in the first place. Zionists are religious extremists and I'm against them. Palestinians on the other hand had their land forcibly taken from them which I don't agree with, and they have every right to be pissed about it. Hamas on the other hand is religious extremst group aswell and they're indiscriminately murdering innocent civilians (as are the jewish extremists aswell) so I'm against them too. The only people I'm in favour here of are the millions of innocent civilians on the both sides who'd just want to be treated fairly and live peacefully.
So I'm biased yeah, but it's a bit more nuanced than that.
How about the PFLP?
Are they religious extremists too?
And what indiscriminate slaughter? And what do you define as a civilian? If you are illegally occupying territory and are expelled by force, you are not a civilian you are an occupier, a settler, a colonizer.
I'm not familiar with that organization so I can't comment on that. I assume they're not unless proven otherwise.
Attacking a music festival and murdering 260 unarmed civilians for example.
Even if I grant you that Israel is located on occupied land, that still doesn't make every Israeli an occupier because many of them were born there and had no say on the matter, and even if you count them as occupiers too I still don't think the optimal solution is to murder them.
That rave was not even in Israel, it was in land occupied after the establishment of the borders in 1948. I am sorry but if you go into an occupied country and attend a rave outside the largest open air prison in the world under protection of one of the most technologically advanced militaries in the world, and then get caught in the crossfire during a prison break I have zero sympathy for you.
I'm just curious. What's your solution to this conflict? You're now the dictator of the whole earth. What do you do?
I'm a white dude from California it's not my place to even make that decision. I mean no offense but this is the most lib response ever.
He's obviously biased to a fault.
You, on the other hand, are the very image of objectivity and neutrality.
Does a pig shit on it's own balls?
Ah yes because a 1,000kg bomb that took over a thousand lives in one go "might not" level an entire building. And despite
actually celebrating, it could have been an accident.
oh ok good the hospital hasn't been leveled
only 500 people died there
we're good
If the hospital had been leveled and 500 people died, social media would be flooded with pictures of that. Ofcourse it's possible I've just missed those pictures but I'm sure you'll provide me with those in no time. Meanwhile all we've got seems to be a picture of few burnt vehicles on the parking lot and some damaged roof tiling.
Lmao. The "I didn't see it so it didn't happen" defence. Take a time out and you can have a juice box 👶🧃
Yeah the "field of bodies" video is pretty easy to find even if you're not looking for it. I don't blame you for not wanting to see the shit, It's terrible. But don't come with some fake claim that only cars can be found. "Leveled" is a word used to mean "made rubble" sometimes and "made to be as useless and dangerous as rubble" others. This is probably the latter time, but I haven't seen videos showing the remains of the building honestly. I don't search for this shit tho
Adding to the dogpile here: IDF and Israel Twitter profiles posted videos that "proved" this, then people quoted old tweets showing that video was from the last year