• shitstorm [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    I know but "violence is the vehicle of real change" is unfortunately a major fascist talking point.

    • Harukiller14 [they/them,comrade/them]
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      4 years ago

      I wouldn't say it's the vehicle, but it's definitely one of the passengers. It's just frustrating hearing people talking about change through reform while chuds have literally done nothing but accustom themselves to the idea that they're gonna shoot the liberals and communists.

      I don't want to be violent, but I don't want to be a victim either. Preaching reform today is wasted time you could be using to bolster your community and training imho

      • Wojackhorseman2 [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        No one wants violence but they’re not gonna let us reform their money away from them. History has shown that a capitulating reformist movement will eventually be crushed or co-opted and the leaders murdered and imprisoned anyway so people may as well be ready to go all the way if they’re going to challenge capital

      • Whorish_Ooze [none/use name]
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        4 years ago

        What do you make of people like this, who say they've been able to convert hundreds of white supremacists into anti-racists using these methods?

        https://www.bbc.com/news/stories-54526345

        https://www.npr.org/2017/08/20/544861933/how-one-man-convinced-200-ku-klux-klan-members-to-give-up-their-robes

        keeping in mind, killing one White Supremacists is -1 White Supremacist. Converting one is -1 White supremacist AND +1 anti racist.

        Obviously this won't work for everyone, but the surprising amount of phenomenal success both of these people have had is at least worthy of discussion. And from a strictly quantitative statistical approach, I don't know of many others alive today who can say they're responsible for the world having 100+ less neonazis.

        • Harukiller14 [they/them,comrade/them]
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          4 years ago

          Being an anti racist is great, but it doesn't mean you're automatically a communist.

          The army is full of people who I'm sure consider themselves anti racist. Does that mean their crimes against the global south are anti racist as well? No. I should note that when I mean reform I'm really talking about electoral politics, not trying to explain leftist politics to people, I'll always promote that rout first and foremost.