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  • Awoo [she/her]
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    4 years ago

    I don't really care whether you vote for someone else or don't vote at all, what I do care about is giving people a vote to reinforce their mandate to drop bombs on children.

    If there's not a better candidate it's preferable to not vote and not provide a mandate to bombing kids or to reinforce democracy. The more the turnout number plummets the weaker democracy gets.

    • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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      4 years ago

      what I do care about is giving people a vote to reinforce their mandate to drop bombs on children

      When your options are Kang or Kodos, I don't think the voting is what matters.

      If there’s not a better candidate it’s preferable to not vote and not provide a mandate

      Given how our electoral system operates, there's no virtue in non-voting. We don't assign political power through the proportion of votes, we assign it by the proportion of governed populace. The only true protest vote in America is done with one's feet.

      After that, participation in municipal elections can be hugely consequential. Judges wield enormous power of individual lives. City Councilors and Mayors shape the quality of life for hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of residents. Taking some kind of principled opposition to voting, absent making some supplementary commitment to direct action, is merely an expression of apathy.

      • Awoo [she/her]
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        4 years ago

        When your options are Kang or Kodos you have a moral duty to use your non-vote as a demonstration of the system being broken. A non-vote is a "this system doesn't work" vote.

        • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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          4 years ago

          The system doesn't care if I don't vote.

          In fact, in many instances, the system rewards the candidate most effective at squelching the votes of my constituents. That's one big reason why my options are Kang or Kodos to begin with.

          • Awoo [she/her]
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            4 years ago

            People care. And the religious level of support for said system cares.

            The thing that needs breaking in America in order to make progress with socialism is the political religion for institutions and the vote.

            • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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              4 years ago

              That's absolute horseshit.

              The folks storming the capital last month had broken with institutions and electoralism. They weren't any kind of Socialists.

              • Awoo [she/her]
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                4 years ago

                Where did I say they were?

                You're making bizarre leaps of logic and behaviour from one thing to another.

                • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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                  4 years ago

                  Hardly.

                  You want people to lose faith in electoralism, but you don't want to ask what comes next.

                  • Awoo [she/her]
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                    4 years ago

                    Every single collapse-of-the-US scenario is a positive outcome. It would be preferable to be more prepared for its coming eventuality, but it is absolutely preferable for it to collapse into a weaker and less stable state in the meantime.

                    • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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                      4 years ago

                      Every single collapse-of-the-US scenario is a positive outcome.

                      Glances at our nuclear stockpile

                      I don't know about that.

                      • Awoo [she/her]
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                        4 years ago

                        That issue doesn't change at all in any end of america scenario. In actuality what it does is guarantee that when a collapse occurs there will be a dozen foreign countries that send troops in. The number of international interests that will be involved in such a collapse is very high. This is an issue that occurs whether its collapse involves a majority being socialist or not.

                        Either way, its collapse into a weaker unstable capitalist state would result in the successful revolution and growth of tens of dozens of foreign socialist states that have been consistently held down by the US since ww2. We would have 50+ socialist states today if not for the US. Its collapse in any possible way being a massive victory for the left absolutely can not be understated.