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Okay I just skipped to a random point in the episode and heard the line
the Stasi was a couple orders of magnitude more effective than the Gestapo in WW2, like it was the worst police and fanatic police really
like Jesus fucking Christ. And the amazing thing is, in literally the next line the guy points out the contradiction
at the same time, when it came to it, when push came to shove, they didn't shove and they didn't push, which is just really kind of strange 'cause you would have expected them to shoot at people in the end
Yeah, you would have fucking expected that since you're comparing them to the Gestapo - maybe the fact that they didn't do that ought to make you rethink your evaluation of these supposedly authoritarian and highly repressive socialist states, but no, you just move right on, no light bulbs going off in your head or anything, just
another sort of context lesson here, that it is important, if you wanna do a socialist movement, to have, like, an interest in the next generation of it instead of torturing all of them
oh fuck off Alice
there were a lot of off-ramps where the Soviet Union could have created a more sustainable version of socialism, and they just chose not to
THE FUCK DOES THIS EVEN MEAN?? like, this isn't talking about Gorbachev's fuck ups or Khrushchev's reforms, it follows the previous quote so I guess "sustainability" is "not repressing people"? Like, this is what you're pointing to as the reason they collapsed, they were just too mean to their populace?
the Soviet Union was a shitty alternative, but it was an alternative, you had someone trying something else, maybe it wasn't working but they were trying something else
industrializing in like 20 years? massive increases in living standards? massively powerful industry? technological innovations? actually winning the Space Race despite what the Americans might say? um, sorry, that's not working apparently
THE FUCK DOES THIS EVEN MEAN?? like, this isn't talking about Gorbachev's fuck ups or Khrushchev's reforms, it follows the previous quote so I guess "sustainability" is "not repressing people"?
it's one of my more controversial opinions here but I think Khrushchev's reforms were actually necesary he just fucked up the implementation
1.) Khrushchev’s implementation sucked and had a mix of good ideas and bad ideas.
2.) The bureaucratic structures in place from before him pushed back on any significant changes to how the economy was to be run. I think the Brezhnev era was in part a response to these attempts as Brezhnev largely just tried to keep things as they were (even though the Soviet economy desperately needed some changes).
3.) I believe a fully centrally planned socialist economy was not possible until the 1970s or maybe even the 1980s. Central planning is more efficient than the free market, but you need the computers and the math behind you. The 60s were a period where you reach a level of significant complexity in the economy but the computer tech and the math just wasn’t there yet to match the task.
Well There's Your Anticommunism, a podcast about never learning any lessons, with liberals
Okay I just skipped to a random point in the episode and heard the line
like Jesus fucking Christ. And the amazing thing is, in literally the next line the guy points out the contradiction
Yeah, you would have fucking expected that since you're comparing them to the Gestapo - maybe the fact that they didn't do that ought to make you rethink your evaluation of these supposedly authoritarian and highly repressive socialist states, but no, you just move right on, no light bulbs going off in your head or anything, just
oh fuck off Alice
THE FUCK DOES THIS EVEN MEAN?? like, this isn't talking about Gorbachev's fuck ups or Khrushchev's reforms, it follows the previous quote so I guess "sustainability" is "not repressing people"? Like, this is what you're pointing to as the reason they collapsed, they were just too mean to their populace?
industrializing in like 20 years? massive increases in living standards? massively powerful industry? technological innovations? actually winning the Space Race despite what the Americans might say? um, sorry, that's not working apparently
yea, but no bananas though
it's one of my more controversial opinions here but I think Khrushchev's reforms were actually necesary he just fucked up the implementation
Yep, I think there were roughly 3 issues at play:
1.) Khrushchev’s implementation sucked and had a mix of good ideas and bad ideas.
2.) The bureaucratic structures in place from before him pushed back on any significant changes to how the economy was to be run. I think the Brezhnev era was in part a response to these attempts as Brezhnev largely just tried to keep things as they were (even though the Soviet economy desperately needed some changes).
3.) I believe a fully centrally planned socialist economy was not possible until the 1970s or maybe even the 1980s. Central planning is more efficient than the free market, but you need the computers and the math behind you. The 60s were a period where you reach a level of significant complexity in the economy but the computer tech and the math just wasn’t there yet to match the task.
leontief's models are pretty good and they're from the 30s but yeah the economic calculation problem was only recently solved with computers
There were many different policies and some of them were just decent while others were fundamentally malignant (and many in between).
How self-absorbed and attached at the hip to your own conservative upbringing do you have to be to talk like this jfc.