Spent last night arguing with my liberal friends about Dems failing to pass min wage. Argued from the center left. Said Dem leadership needs to get its shit together and start getting the party in line. Otherwise theyre getting bodied in 2022 and never getting back in. They flipped out on me. Saying I was advocating for them to be just like Trump and the republicans.

Ive genuinely given up on them. I just dont get it. I dont know what to do. We're all queer and disabled. One of them constantly goes to protests and participates in her community. This wasn't even one of my hard left points. Like how the Dems are all psychos. Or the entire system is rigged. It was a genuine good faith argument about how the Dems need to change or we're gonna die. Im at a loss. How can you fix this?

  • PZK [he/him]
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    fyra år sedan

    Large portions of the US population has been conditioned to only accept discourse that falls within the overton window of US politics.

    Libs seem to think that a better world simply isn't possible and what we have is the best you can realistically ask for.

    As far as un-brainworming them I don't know if it's possible. Because they have fully internalized a failing ideology that they consider successful because it wins elections sometimes. But this success is about upholding the status quo, only to be confused and outraged when people don't turn out to help them win again.

    The most ridiculous thing I always see from liberals is that they believe that once they win power they think they will win forever. Their stances on "change needs to happen slowly" only make sense if they were to win every time.

    Edit: I would like to add that if an abusive relationship was a political ideology it would be Liberalism. They constantly swoon for conservative approval. They cum their pants when a conservative agrees with them. Cry how mean and cruel conservatives are, yet come running back to them hoping that they will be loved. When liberals win, they are always a single moment away of welcoming conservatives back with open arms thinking "this time will be different, they finally care about me."

    • PostModernNeoMarxist [any]
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      fyra år sedan

      I mean it has to be possible. Until about a year ago I had liberal brainworms. I managed to break out thanks to the coronavirus and the wealth of online sources for theory. though im puertorican and theor american. it was a lot easier for me to break out.

      • PZK [he/him]
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        fyra år sedan

        I suppose so. I had brainworms at one point.

        I think however I was never really "comfortable" with my views on many things. For a while I hated both parties but couldn't quite understand why. Liberalism has many contradictions, like how they praise and respect minorities but don't let them have anything.

        Communist concepts seemed like either pipe dream ideas or failed ideology to me. But a simple conversation with my past self would have changed my mind immediately. One of the things I point to for people that may be skeptical about if it "works", is that how it transformed Russia into a worldwide superpower that was so effective that it beat America into space and instilled so much fear in western minds that people are still scared of the USSR and it doesn't even exist anymore. Then I point out how Russia is now a capitalist country and its far weaker than it was as the Soviet Union.

        Honestly what led me to this point was actually the 2016 election. Trump redefined what was normal for me, but what ultimately shook me was realizing how liberals reacted to Trump. They were in utter disbelief they could possibly lose to him. Their news cycles constantly seemed to be about trying to make you enraged at Republicans and uphold Democrats as saviors of America. As more left leaning ideas were introduced to me I found them to be not only the most moral but the most logical in terms of human beings living together.

        When the primaries started, and I saw how they went nuclear on Bernie to the point of flat out lying about him, I saw the Democrats as not much better than Republicans. Because they were willing to resort to the same tactics conservatives use (yet only on the left). I remember most news trying to avoid talking about him at all, downplaying his presence, popularity, and ideas. It was actually getting really amusing how the media machine were realizing they were losing control of the narrative in politics. Then the Democrats blatantly cheated in the Iowa Caucuses. (Im an Iowan BTW)

        CNN tried to work with Warren to smear Bernie on alleging that he said "A woman can't win". Then on super tuesday the entire party worked together to pull the rug out underneath Bernie and suddenly you saw all these candidates that didn't want to be president anymore in favor of Joe "I won South Carolina" Biden. The cherry on top was Biden lying in the debate with Bernie and liberal co-workers I knew smiling smugly about winning against him by any means necessary.

        When I saw all this, I knew they were not allies. It isn't about Bernie either (fuck him for bending the knee to Biden), its about his policies and ideas. If they fought so hard to destroy these, they are not good people.

        Now its a matter of looking at the whole system and realizing it is a broken and antiquated electoral system that was designed to protect slavers (conservatives), and slaver apologists (liberals).