Spent last night arguing with my liberal friends about Dems failing to pass min wage. Argued from the center left. Said Dem leadership needs to get its shit together and start getting the party in line. Otherwise theyre getting bodied in 2022 and never getting back in. They flipped out on me. Saying I was advocating for them to be just like Trump and the republicans.

Ive genuinely given up on them. I just dont get it. I dont know what to do. We're all queer and disabled. One of them constantly goes to protests and participates in her community. This wasn't even one of my hard left points. Like how the Dems are all psychos. Or the entire system is rigged. It was a genuine good faith argument about how the Dems need to change or we're gonna die. Im at a loss. How can you fix this?

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    4 years ago

    Postscript/additional thought regarding the is-ought distinction: it's a useful step, when talking to working-class liberals who might vote Dem, to frame discussion on the basis of the behavior of that party as an objective (politically exogenous) factor the same way they might frame discussion of the GOP's behavior, instead of framing discussion of Dem behavior as if they were a subjective factor (politically endogenous; i.e. subject to direct influence from the working class, from ordinary voters). My use of objective/subjective here is meant to draw attention to the fact that the Democratic Party works for the enemy of the working class and is therefore an element of objective conditions, rather than a part of the subjective conditions for revolution/change that workers can influence.

    Put more simply: manipulate the frame of the discussion such that people aren't talking about Dems like said Dems are on "our side" or capable of being on "our side". This is another reason to avoid "Dems should do X" rather than "Dems will/won't do X".