Is just a liberal larping about upholding social justice for all of our comrades while condemning others to be exploited and murdered.
Edited: since people were crying about thinking this is targeting anarchists specifically, and not all larping libs.
Obviously using disinfectant that "kills 99.9% of germs" isn't a game changer or anything, but what about cooked insects from a street vendor in SE Asia? Is housing a bee colony for their honey any different than milking free-range cows? Would indigenous tribes who've been sustainably living off the land of local fauna need to be "acculturated"? Is lab grown meat okay? What determination in brain structure, self-awareness, or embryonic development determines whether some entity is okay to kill or consume?
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The fuck..? Insects definitely have a nervous system. Ants literally care for their injured.
They clearly must have a concept of injury if they can care for them. So what the hell does that even mean?
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What the fuck. The last time indigenous communities were “acculturated” was a cultural genocide. Do you not see how saying this is not ok?
This is because you don't understand veganism. Veganism is not about sustainability or health or the environment, it is about complete and utter animal liberation. Animal exploitation should not be part of any culture.
Last I understood animal husbandry was not a major part of indigenous cultures across the country. Rather hunter-gathering and appreciation and use of every part of the animal was a general key component. Why is it such a radical idea that suggesting cultural re education for a group that was genocided culturally within living memory in Canada is a bad thing? Please, it is possible to focus on supporting veganism without suggesting we need to alter indigenous cultures a second time when the first time was a literal genocide
There's no room for apologism or bending the rules for anyone when it comes to granting animals the right and dignity to a life without any unecessary human intervention. You can not respect an animal if you are going to kill it/exploit it. Stop twisting people's words try to it into a "Veganism is anti-indigenous" narrative. This is so typical of a carnist argument to attack the extreme outliers rather than focusing on the main issue at hand which is Animal liberation.
I’m not attacking extreme outliers here. This person who I am responding to literally just said indigenous people should be culturally re educated to be vegan. Am I the only one who sees a problem with that? I don’t think veganism is anti indigenous. Not at all. I just think that suggesting that cultural re education, WHICH THIS USER IS SUGGESTING WE DO, is a bad idea because indigenous people in Canada were literally subject to cultural re education (aka cultural genocide) until the 1990s. It’s just not ok to suggest that kind of thing. You wouldn’t suggest making a ghetto for Jewish people in the 1970s, even if it’s for some reason that would benefit them, because trauma is real and suggesting the same method of trauma, even if it’s for a positive end goal, is just not ok.
Animal liberation is the goal, any culture - whether it's indigenous or not - will evolve as culture always has. I come from a culture where women are explicitly 2nd class citizens, do you want me to continue following that culture just because it's my culture? I would hope not.
You'd save a lot of time ignoring the concern trolling going on here
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If we're going to tackle all of humanity's ills, we need to think more macro, which involves the global collective. Whether it's hunting/farming animals, cultural practices that promote inequality, or even disposing of casinos that promote all of society's ills, predominantly addictions like gambling and alcoholism. I mean, would you go to bat for indigenous peoples that practice cannibalism? (I know it's an antiquated example, but it's to make a point.)
No, we've got to think Big. And that includes everyone.
I just don’t think that cultural re education for a small group that has no large impact on the environmental or ethical concerns of the meat industry is a great idea. Indigenous communities don’t use meat in the same way we do, nor is factory farming a key part of their culture, and suggesting an act that’s inflicted great cultural trauma is just a bad idea. Encouraging veganism is fine. Including indigenous people in efforts to decrease meat consumption is fine. But cultural re education, which is what the original person was suggesting, is just not acceptable considering cultural re education was genocide the last time it happened. I am not opposed to veganism or the idea that indigenous people should be vegan, I am opposed to what the original commenter said, that re education is necessary to erase meat consumption from indigenous culture. Key word is re education because it’s just wrong to suggest that for any indigenous person
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Sorry, but suggesting that we culturally re educate indigenous Americans and Canadians is just not something I want to do considering there is years of generational trauma in Canada from residential schools, aka cultural re education centres. I was skeptical of the idea that vegans on this site were racist, and I think the majority aren’t, but you are literally suggesting cultural re education for a group that experienced genocide several times already over the same exact idea. I’m astounded that you think that’s ok.