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“The alternative to a rules-based order is a world in which might makes right and winner takes all and that would be a far more violent and unstable world,” Blinken said.
The Chinese fired back. Yang Jiechi, a member of the Politburo, offered a lengthy monologue in which he said Western nations don’t represent global public opinion and called the U.S. the “champion” of cyber-attacks.
“Many people within the United States actually have little confidence in the democracy of the United States,” he said, citing the killing of Black Americans and the Black Lives Matter movement. Near the end of his opening remarks, he said Blinken’s comments weren’t “normal” and added that in response “mine aren’t either.”
Things only got worse from there. Cameras were ushered from the room, only to be called back in. Yang and Foreign Minister Wang Yi took the opportunity to follow up with even more criticism. “Is that the way you had hoped to conduct this dialogue?” Yang asked, according to his delegation’s translator. “I think we thought too well of the United States. The United States isn’t qualified to speak to China from a position of strength.”
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Mic Drop .... :xi-clap: :xi-lib-tears:
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The faction that's been causing all the fires and damage. It's been broadcast over and over on Chinese social media and has done a ton of damage to the idea of "freedom" and "democracy" in China. The idea being that if you give Chinese people the same freedoms, these same results will occur. China had decades of chaos, much within living memory. Never again, they say. They prefer the CPC with all its faults.
Are you talking about the BLM protests? Lmao so much for solidarity eh.
A lot of Chinese look up to America and wish they had the freedoms we had. Then they see video after video of violence and small businesses being looted and burned out, and conclude: this is what they do with their freedom?
And you think the CPC doesn't jump right in afterwards and say, "See? This is what we're protecting you from. You want freedom? This is what you're going to get. Better to stick with us, no matter how awful we are." Chinese people fear chaos more than anything else. They had quite enough of it during their lifetimes and anyone over 60 lived through it. The scars are deep and will not heal soon.
Research on the protests show time and time again that the overwhelming majority were peaceful. The "violence" is the cost of trying to solve crime by pressing a militarized unaccountable police force on poor people. Whatever they've gone through, theres no telling us what to do with our freedom especially if they can't bother to get facts right.
The cops didn't set all those stores on fire. It greatly damaged the credibility of pro-democracy forces in China and the CPC made sure it got top billing on all the social media. Kind of like how Youtube artificially puts videos they politically approve of in the "Trending" category or Twitter inflates hashtags. It was used against the Hong Kong protesters, too. "They're two sides of the same coin! We must stop these wreckers before they cause havoc like they did in America!"
Yeah the cops were too busy running over people and wrecking the cars of passerbys. Do they show the video of people being shot on their front porch for filming the police? Or are you gonna keep saying "well some protests turned into riots so police states are legitimate"
Dude I'm telling you what China saw. It's no different from Twitter or Youtube putting political topics they like up front where people will see them.
And I'm telling you they're wrong.
So? There's no free speech in China. The government decides what's on the front page. We do the same, but private companies do it so it's OK in some kind of weird hardcore libertarian viewpoint.
Oh I'm sorry I didn't realize the CCP sends direct broadcasts to the brain of their citizens.
What's your point anyway?
Maybe I'm wrong, but I feel like Malikto is just trying to use their Chinese language skills and cultural knowledge to help us understand some of the discourse happening in China without it being filtered through an American source.
Then it seems like he has internalized that discourse in his noble quest to translate it.
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This is just unironic chud talking points. The cops overwhelmingly started riots during otherwise peaceful protests, which themselves are the result of police brutalizing the population. Fires and looting have everything to do with the US population and especially minority population being overly oppressed, not having “too much freedom” lmfao
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China is a profoundly different society with no experience of democracy. Their values are not our values. You don't expect people to accept those values, but just understand them.
One of my hobbies is 20th century Chinese history from 1904-1978 and boy, did they get a dose of chaos during that time. Anyone who promises stability, and then follows up on their end of the deal, is going to win a great deal of support. And the CPC has done that. 20 years ago China was a dusty shithole, now even small cities have skyscrapers and electric buses and malls.
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Chinese people only get to vote on the lowest level of government, which is pretty worthless.
Yes, I think that they do not say this. I’m directly contesting that the CPC says this, please provide source. I’m especially interested in them framing it the way you have as freedom being what causes protests, and also the part where they talk about how awful they are.
Oh yeah? The Chinese people yearn for the freedom and democracy of America, and relief from the terror of communism, but they're disheartened by our BLM riots? That's wild, dude. So anyway how's life in the CIA?
It's not the "terror of communism", it's rule by the CPC. Despite everything, they're still delivering on the economic prosperity that gives them legitimacy in the first place. Still, some Chinese people want full freedoms because the CPC does a lot of stupid shit, especially at the local level, and nobody can talk back to them. You can't vote the bastards out.
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You're making a ridiculous exaggeration, but the gist of what you say is essentially true.
Heck, after Trump and Brexit, a lot of westerners aren't so hot on the idea of democracy either. If it can produce invalid results like that, then it's obvious that we need a new system, a post-democracy system. The current system is broken if reactionaries can use it for their advantage. How can you reform the systems that replicate inequities? You can't. Democracy is not the end, we need post democracy systems. And they have to be better than the average Joe. Because that's the point we are at, problems are over the head of the average Joe. We've all seen what happens when the Joes all speak together - disaster.
-- Mao Zedong
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So...you...random internet commenter...know socialism better than Mao Zedong.
Well OK then.
Personally I think he was one of the most astute political commentators ever, and had much to say that is worth reading. And he not only outlasted the Japanese, but he won a civil war where the other side had every possible advantage, including massive weapons transfers from the USA.
-- Mao