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“The alternative to a rules-based order is a world in which might makes right and winner takes all and that would be a far more violent and unstable world,” Blinken said.

The Chinese fired back. Yang Jiechi, a member of the Politburo, offered a lengthy monologue in which he said Western nations don’t represent global public opinion and called the U.S. the “champion” of cyber-attacks.

“Many people within the United States actually have little confidence in the democracy of the United States,” he said, citing the killing of Black Americans and the Black Lives Matter movement. Near the end of his opening remarks, he said Blinken’s comments weren’t “normal” and added that in response “mine aren’t either.”

Things only got worse from there. Cameras were ushered from the room, only to be called back in. Yang and Foreign Minister Wang Yi took the opportunity to follow up with even more criticism. “Is that the way you had hoped to conduct this dialogue?” Yang asked, according to his delegation’s translator. “I think we thought too well of the United States. The United States isn’t qualified to speak to China from a position of strength.”

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  • Malikto [none/use name]
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    4 years ago

    It refers to how western leftists are seen in China. They have every freedom the Chinese want for themselves, and yet use these freedoms in a manner that Chinese find irresponsible, self-indulgent, and ultimately self-defeating. China went through its struggle session phase and does not, ever, want to return to that kind of situation.

    • VYKNIGHT [none/use name]
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      4 years ago

      In my experience in online chicom circles, Baizuo is generally used for those on the American left who says that they are for self-determination and socialism, but are willing to listen to and collaborate with the American state to bash Syria, China, Iran.etc. So I was always under the impression that Baizuo referred to demsoc/socdem AOC/Ilhan Omar characters who'd preach for socialist policies at home but then will supporting drone strikes.

      • Malikto [none/use name]
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        4 years ago

        "Chicom"? That's a blast from the past. How old are you, grandpa?

        Not to be a dick about it, but the English-speaking Chinese world in the west is different from the Chinese-speaking world. Baizuo are people who have every freedom Chinese people want and yet use such freedoms in ways Chinese find incomprehensibly reprehensible.

        • VYKNIGHT [none/use name]
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          4 years ago

          I know that the Americans from way back loved to use Chicom as an insult, but I'm Chi and I'm com and I like the word so I'm using it.

          I think it's just another case of the same word being used for different purposes, the majority of people in China is non-political and as such would not know what Baizuo means and would not give a fuck about them. My hillbilly family in north east would have no idea what I mean by Baizuo, but will know exactly what I'm talking about if I say Baiguizi. Baizuo is one of those words where you project your political enemies onto, my fellow tankies uses Baizuo as a stand in for anarchists, socdems and demsocs. I'm guessing you're likely interacting with liberals/progressives in China, who probably uses it to insult the American liberal/social left who are making their ideology look bad.

          • Malikto [none/use name]
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            4 years ago

            Chicom died out when we had to stop making the difference between PRC and ROC. Now PRC is "China" and ROC is "Taiwan" and anyone you see still using Chicom is usually a grandpa who fought in Korea or some frothing right winger who is still fighting the Cold War.

            my fellow tankies uses Baizuo as a stand in for anarchists, socdems and demsocs.

            Oh, so you're using the word wrong then. That explains it.

            will know exactly what I’m talking about if I say Baiguizi.

            Wow, you really are up on dated terms, aren't you? You keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means. Better to switch to yangguizi or meidi. Or just stop using words you don't understand altogether.

            • VYKNIGHT [none/use name]
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              4 years ago

              Chicom died out when we had to stop making the difference between PRC and ROC

              I know, but I like the word, and it delivered the information that I wanted you to understand so it served its function well.

              Oh, so you’re using the word wrong then. That explains it.

              Are you l'acadamie Chinoise? Who gave you the authority to define and denote words?

              Wow, you really are up on dated terms, aren’t you?

              When's the last time someone called a foreigner a "yangren"? Or a "meidi"? I called the whites Bairen, and the enemy Guizi, so the two together is Baiguizi. I'm sorry that White can refer both to ideology and race, I suppose that when the Native Americans talk about the white men they're referring to tsarists and other reactionaries because context doens't exist. I'll fix the way I adapt and use my native language for you Mr.Malikto and I'll let my family in Hulunbeir know so he can fix his shit. MB.

              • Malikto [none/use name]
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                4 years ago

                Look, when terms are in common usage, that's what they mean. Especially neologisms like baizuo. And you just make up words when it suits you? OK I get what's going on here.

                • VYKNIGHT [none/use name]
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                  4 years ago

                  Just because a word is in common usage among one group doesn't prevent it from taking another meaning in another group. The word "leftist" takes on a complete different meaning with their own connotations among communists and among Qanon cultists. That was the message I tried (and clearly failed) to convey in my original reply. And it's not "making up words" when I add a character "Bai" to the word "Guizi" to specify what kind of Guizi I'm talking about. I have not invented new characters, I have not tried to create a new meaning through the combination of two or more characters, all I've done is used a character to extend and clarify a widely understood word to specify what I mean by it.

                  Like for fucksakes, what's got you so aggressive about all of this? Whats your deal? I just came to clarify that I had a different experience with the word Baizuo and inferred a different meaning from it and here you are attacking my credibility as a Chinese person. Why don't you go lie down, logout and reduce your bloodpressure.

                  • Malikto [none/use name]
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                    4 years ago

                    If you're gonna invent a private patois that only you and your friends understand, don't be surprised when you use it in public and people have no idea what you're talking about.

                    "The Beginning of Wisdom is Calling Things by Their Right Names"

                    -- Chinese saying attributed to Confucius

                    • VYKNIGHT [none/use name]
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                      4 years ago

                      A private patois? That's just how the word is used in the online english Chinese leftist community. I'm literally explaning what the word means in that specific community, and you understood exactly who Chicom refers to. Get your head out of your ass.

                      "Pee Pee Poo Poo Diarrhea"

                      • Quoting wise people doesn't make you one.
      • Pezevenk [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        Dude you didn't get the message, they want you to be a civility lib basically. That and also identity politics/political correctness stuff.

        It's very weird how people say "wow these people are so right about us" but would attack anyone else for saying the same thing lol