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      • notthenameiwant [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        Most people were in gulags unjustly. People got sent to them for stealing from their employers, really petty shit.

        • Gkalaitza [he/him]
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          4 years ago

          Most people were in gulags unjustly

          Source ?

          Yeah a lot were but most. Like in hundreds of throusands. You know Gulags were just prisons. Are you saying that (especially after ww2) the majority of prisoners in the USSR were innocent. Thats a wild take

          People got sent to them for stealing from their employers

          What employers? You think there were actual physical people ownining means of productions or buisnesses employing people in the USSR ? (yeah there were some cause there was a black market) but that mode of production was a small minority

          • notthenameiwant [he/him]
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            4 years ago

            What employers? You think there were actual physical people ownining means of productions or buisnesses employing people in the USSR ? (yeah there were some cause there was a black market) but that mode of production was a small minority

            Markets were not abolished under the USSR, read Wolff.

            I also did not argue innocence, I argued unjustness. I'm not gonna debate you if your first instinct is to misconstrue my point.

            • Gkalaitza [he/him]
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              4 years ago

              The USSR had a kind of commodity-production and had wage labor but only post-Stalin there were pseudo market-type reforms i.e they had to take loans from the state, have emploeyr relationships, firms that pay interest, had to be profitable and there even was a type of psuedo competition between the state enterprises, (but at the same time they had to follow the plan set by the state.). Under Stalin markets in any capitalist sense were supressed (why black market structures emerged) and capital goods were mostly allocated based on their use-values rather than their exchange values, meaning that capital goods were mostly not treated like commodities.

              Also i havent read Wolff on the issue, sorry that a demsoc marxist that stans co-ops as a transitionary system wasnt in my top list to read about how the economy worked in the USSR