This phrase rings like a bell in my circles every time the topic of humanitarian ceasefire comes up, and it effectively stonewalls the conversation. Just a point of frustration that I have no real place to ventilate.
Other bangers include:
- Israel can't trust the Palestinians, they've never been given a reason to do so.
- Hamas wants to make Israel not exist.
- So you equate Israel now to Nazis during WW2? (while talking about the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising)
- Hamas takes drugs and ...
spoiler
rapes corpses of women and children.
Hard to be interested in engaging after reading that last one, but no one else is going to bring the missing half of the conversation.
So you equate Israel now to Nazis during WW2? (while talking about the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising)
my "I don't run the largest concentration camp in the world" T-shirt has people asking a lot of questions already answered by my shirt
Hamas takes drugs
Oh god are people unironically doing the “Well that black kid that got shot by the cops did pot once so he wasn’t an angel” bit but for Gazans?
It's in reference to this:
- https://www.jpost.com/health-and-wellness/article-769250
- https://nypost.com/2023/10/23/hamas-terrorists-were-high-on-poor-mans-cocaine-report/
It’s also totally irrelevant even if true. Oh damn some soldiers took stimulants before a battle? That’s a thing that has never happened ever and certainly not in civilized western countries. Modafinil? What’s that?
Exactly. I also have not looked into it but I can't help but imagine the jpost and nypost are basically the same publication. Some of my homies LOVE the nypost, its kinda insane.
Hamas wants to make Israel not exist.
yeah, good, ok
Death to America
Piling into this thread with my own related complaint, I’m tired of reading chyrons that say “ISRAEL AT WAR” while panning over footage of total destruction levied at civilians in Gaza
If this is a war, where are the enemy combatants??
Oh I know. "Only talks about kids getting killed. Also isn't moralizing." Like somehow there is a massive number of Hamas leaders and soldiers Israel has killed that I'm ignoring. The only count I could find was 13.
So you equate Israel now to Nazis during WW2? (while talking about the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising)
This is an account of things from the mid-1980s from the child of a holocaust survivor:
"As with the Holocaust, I tried to remember my very first encounter with the occupation. One of my earliest encounters involved a group of Israeli soldiers, an old Palestinian man, and his donkey.
Standing on a street with some Palestinian friends, I noticed an elderly Palestinian walking down the street, leading his donkey. A small child no more than three or four years old, clearly his grandson, was with him.
Some Israeli soldiers standing nearby went up to the old man and stopped him. One soldier ambled over to the donkey and pried open its mouth. “Old man,” he asked, “why are your donkey's teeth so yellow? Why aren't they white? Don't you brush your donkey's teeth?”
The old Palestinian was mortified, the little boy visibly upset. The soldier repeated his question, yelling this time, while the other soldiers laughed. The child began to cry and the old man just stood there silently, humiliated. This scene repeated itself while a crowd gathered. The soldier then ordered the old man to stand behind the donkey and demanded that he kiss the animal's behind.
At first, the old man refused but as the soldier screamed at him and his grandson became hysterical, he bent down and did it. The soldiers laughed and walked away. They had achieved their goal: to humiliate him and those around him.
We all stood there in silence, ashamed to look at each other, hearing nothing but the uncontrollable sobs of the little boy. The old man did not move for what seemed a very long time. He just stood there, demeaned and destroyed.
I stood there too, in stunned disbelief. I immediately thought of the stories my parents had told me of how Jews had been treated by the Nazis in the 1930s, before the ghettos and death camps, of how Jews would be forced to clean sidewalks with toothbrushes and have their beards cut off in public.
What happened to the old man was absolutely equivalent in principle, intent, and impact: to humiliate and dehumanize. In this instance, there was no difference between the German soldier and the Israeli one.
Throughout that summer of 1985, I saw similar incidents: young Palestinian men being forced by Israeli soldiers to bark like dogs on their hands and knees or dance in the streets."
- Sara Roy, Harvard professor and child of a Holocaust survivor:
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/03064220308537274
I've framed it thusly: If someone is offered a bad deal, I point out how there's no reason to take said deal simply for having been made an offer, like it's literally beyond these liberals imaginations that negotiating is a haggling match and leverage must be offered and counteroffered, especially when it comes to international diplomacy. All western liberals know is eat hot chip, bully poorer weaker nations and lie.
there is no such thing as anyone having interests or benefiting from things, it's all just vibes
that's because libs genuinely think negotiation is when you get everything you want and the other side just fucks off home. because they're the good guys, therefore they want good things. and the other side must necessarily be the bad guys, so they only want bad things. so you dont need to understand them, or offer anything.
The response I got was "They'll just attack anyway". Predictable.
Edit:
- Hamas will steal all the aid, they're already sitting on a dragon's horde of supplies.
- Zionism has proven to be pretty volatile but it's irrelevant now that this has begun.
Hamas will steal all the aid, they're already sitting on a dragon's horde of supplies.
I hear this shit all the time. And it's like "Oh weird. And why is Gaza in a position where they need to be given aid in the first place?!"
I know right? Even from their perspective, calling for a ceasefire only emboldens their position, because if Hamas doesn't respect that ceasefire it plays into what the state has been saying all along. Can't risk being wrong though... 🙄
"You're right, they want a hostage exchange. Glad you're willing to consider what Hamas wants."
"So has Hamas outlined any demands or articulated any valid conclusion beyond total elimination of the Jews?" Was a question I was asked, "a hostage exchange" was apparently the wrong answer.
Israel can't trust the Palestinians, they've never been given a reason to do so.
Palestine can't trust the zionists, they've never been given a reason to do so.
Hamas wants to make Israel not exist.
Zionists wants to make Palestinians not exist.
So you equate Israel now to Nazis during WW2? (while talking about the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising)
Yes.
Hamas takes drugs and [unspeakeable shit]
Zionists did unspeakable things to palestinians and then made a whole documentary admitting it while laughing.
"Hohohoo! so you agree a ceasefire is impossible then"
Zionists ruling Palestine land and non-genocidal peace is impossible.
The last part is funny, because Israeli tiktok is full of average citizens making fun and having the time of their life mocking dying palestinians.
Zionists did unspeakable things to palestinians and then made a whole documentary admitting it while laughing.
What documentary is that?
There are more than one, but the first google result was this: https://www.972mag.com/tantura-massacre-documentary-testimonies/
I would say equating Israel with Nazis is not something I would do, the mechanization and industrialization of genocide that the Nazis did has yet to be replicated. But I will say that what Israel is doing is very similar to what pogromists have done in the past.
I hear you, but I wasn't equating Israel to Nazis. I was actually equating Palestinians to Jews in World War II during the Warsaw ghetto uprisings, which of course was turned around on me.
