Its not really a moral imperative as Marxism isn’t a moral philosophy, its the materialist science of social change.

Not in terms of marxism, of course. The question was if an individual has a moral imperative to read and understand theory, when trying to do something to change his & his classes material conditions. To be fair, it's just something I was thinking while high.

I think it's more akin to the way we use the crab joke, but instead of the whole "left" spectrum, it's directed towards radical leftists. I still think it's funny lol

Sorry, i got pissy too.

nah, i was definately the jerk first lol.

I honestly don't have enough knowledge to continue with this discussion much further, I haven't really read a lot of muslim ethnographies, and most of my knowledge of muslim majority countries is related to wars - so not a lot of good cultural takes can come from that at all. Also, I still have a very hard understanding and getting to know how I feel about how the west seems to culturally change everything it touches - mostly in regards to how parts of the indigenous population in my country deny their heritage, in exchange to be assimilated into big cities. Until I can understand this better, there's no point in me saying what I think about hijabs or whatnot. My opinion is abolutely pointless regardless, but the discussion about agency is definitaly something I would love to dive to in the future - there's just so much to learn.

Anyways, my original comment still probably serves to some people in this audience, who think that a free woman is only one that shares the same liberal beliefs they do. Definately not targeted towards you, but overall people should be wary about how they view other cultures, it's super easy to fall into our ethnocentric default.

Sorry again for being so rude and thanks for your reply :)

Sorry for comming too hard on you, wasn't my intention. I am just so tired of these same arguments coming from a bunch os islamophobic pricks, so I overreacted.

Regardless, what I tried to point out is that the view that Hijab is backwards is shared amonst lots of western liberals, that take their ideia of a free woman to be rooted in the liberal ideals of the 'progressive' liberal west. That is to say that a women is more free when she uses western clothes, shows her own skin, etc - which is also deeply related what she is able to consume. These takes usually take for granted the idea that the west is the bastion of freedom and any expression that goes on a different way is backwards - which in itself could be taken as an evolutionist idea (as in some cultures are more advanced than others).

The other point is about the generalization that women rarely chose to wear hijab, where are you taking this from? Is it from your personal experience? That is not to say that this wouldn't be valid, but you can't equate your personal experience to the full experience of hijab wearing muslims.

Overall, I just get triggered when I see people calling shit "backwards practices"; without further context it always seems like an evolutionist notion of cultural practices, despite this not being the case.

This is a huge problem with american leftists, you guys are used to criticism of anything foreign being from chuds or patronising white people that you automatically assume the criticism is coming from outside of that culture.

also, point taken (altough I'm not american). I really saw your comment as coming from a white american. I really need to logout more.

Focusing on the hijab is in and of itself Islamophobic.

this so much. OP this post is absolutely disgusting. I know where you're coming from, but please try to read some anthropology before you spew ethnocentric notions of what "backwards practices" are.

This isn’t a fucking trope, it’s the reality of it. It is very rare to see someone who decides to wear hijab by themselves.

???

but Marielle Franco and thousands of people would still be alive

I don't know if Marielle Franco would be alive, the paramilitary aparatus that killed her was already around long before Trump came to office. You can argue that they wouldn't have the balls to do it without the Trump/Bolsonaro "hivemind", and altough with her that might be the case, this wouldn't have stopped them from killing other people. I still agree that Trump is terrible for Brazil in terms of giving power to Bolsonaro's right, but Hilary could have started a war in Venezula, which would have probably led to a military figure in power by 2022.

All & all, the fall of the US Empire will be brutal for the colonies. And being in south america (US's "backyard") we will probably suffer the most.