Oh God, are icepick jokes to trots what "apache attack helicopter" jokes are to trans people? Do we also only have one joke?
No, there's also the newsletter one.
I actually like the trots, but the newsletter thing is so true.
As a member of the central committee for the restablishment of the 12th International (cliffite-posadist) I say this is revisionary bourgeois centralist propaganda and call for your group to be expelled from the party
I mean, to me at least, it just speaks to the meme-level understanding of Trotsky's ideas/Trotskyism that's common among people who radicalized on the internet and think, for whatever reason, that defining themselves as against trots makes them more radical or Marxist or whatever.
Like I can lay out a Marxist analysis of fascism for example, and folks seem to appreciate it, but when you lay out the same analysis and say I borrowed a lot of this from Trotsky, you inevitably get the "begone trot" knee-jerk reactions.
Or just reading through the criticism in this thread, it's fairly obvious that folks understand the theory of permanent revolution on the level of literally just the plain meaning of the name of the theory.
Like, I have a feeling that not a lot of people here would vehemently disagree if I said "the bourgeoisie in the nations dominated by imperialism are so coopted by foreign capital that they are functionally incapable of leading struggles for democratic rights," but that is a key point of P.Rev. and historically a point of disagreement with the Stalinists.
I think it's more akin to the way we use the crab joke, but instead of the whole "left" spectrum, it's directed towards radical leftists. I still think it's funny lol
Probably the most important part is for the German Revolution to succeed.
Nearly happened a couple of times. Even after the loss in the Polish war and the failure in Germany, there was a brief possibility of a Stalin-Trotsky alliance, which would have been hard to keep together but probably would have been the optimal result.
“I know that after my death a pile of rubbish will be heaped on my grave, but the wind of history will sooner or later sweep it away without mercy." :stalin:
COMBAT TROTSKYISM
Dear Nicholas Semionovich,
First of all, let me express my gratitude for the pleasure, both political and aesthetic, that your speeches, particularly your last one on robbery, give me. Yes, one feels joy when reading our representatives’ speeches and the workers’ letters to the “Luch” editorial board, or when learning about the symptomatic facts concerning the labour movement. After that, the despicable division, consistently fostered by Lenin, who is a master in this art, a professional exploiter of Russian labour movement routine, seem like an absurd nightmare. No sensible European socialist could possibly believe that the differences of opinion created by Lenin in Cracow are likely to cause a split.
Lenin’s “successes”, although they are an obstacle for us, do not inspire me any concern. At this stage, we are no longer in 1903 or in 1908. With “money of suspicious origin”, intercepted at Kautsky’s and Zetkin’s place, Lenin set up an organ, took the logo of a popular newspaper, wrote the word “unity” on its banner and thus attracted worker readers, who, of course, considered the publication of a workers’ daily to be a great victory. Then, when the newspaper had gained influence, Lenin used it as an instrument for his circle intrigues and for his splittist trends. But the aspirations of the workers for unity are so strong that Lenin was forced to play hide and seek with his readers, to talk about unity from below while organising the split at the top, to equate class struggle to the bickering of groups and fractions. In a word, at this moment, all that Leninism consists of is based on lies and falsifications, and bears in itself the seeds of its own decay. There is no doubt that, if the opposing party knows how to manage, gangrene will soon develop among Leninists, precisely because of the question of unity or division.
But I repeat: if the opposing party knows how to manage. And if Leninism, by itself, does not inspire me any fear, I must admit that I am not sure that our friends, the liquidators, will not help Lenin to get back on saddle.
Two policies may now be applied: to destroy ideologically and organically the fractional walls which still exist, and thus destroy the very foundations of Leninism, which is incompatible with the organisation of workers into a political party, but which can perfectly grow on the manure of splits; or, on the contrary, to conduct a fractional selection of anti- Leninists (Mensheviks or liquidators) by a complete liquidation of the divergences on tactics.
Lenin - Against Trotskyism ( a series of writings collected by Lenin directed against Trotskyism)
https://revolutionarydemocracy.org/archive/AgainstTrotskyism.pdf
Carl Davison, Left In Form - Right In Essence
https://www.marxists.org/history/etol/critiques/guardian/index.htm
M.J. Olgin, 1935, Trotskyism: Counter-Revolution in Disguise
https://revolutionarydemocracy.org/archive/olgin0.htm**___**
Yes, Department Of Toilet Paper.
Idk what are you talking about, I just steal shitpost from the discord memegathred
the “degenerarion of the revolution, totalitarian stalinism” was a big giveaway
Nah, well at least in my country anarchists doesn't exist as party, but the "trots" have five hundred, none of which gets half a seat in congresses of any level.
Speaking of SAlt, chuds and Amazon lobbyists are trying to Recall Kshama Sawant
That's their praxis, their theory is all about how all other socialists are wrong and they are correct and every socialist country ever to exist was not real socialism lol.
Plus the ideology seems to attract cranks like flies to shit. My theory is that is because it focuses heavily on contrarianism and is the ideological manifestation of saying "well akshully"
Cranks come in all shapes and sizes. There is a shit ton of generic anti-imperialist cranks for instance. But the know it all thing and contrarianism are basically engrained into trotskyism as an ideology though. Trotskyism is very popular in the west because of anticommunist propaganda, people like the idea of communism but find it easier to say "that wasn't real socialism and here is why" rather than try to deprogram anticommunist thought. Also, anticommunist bullshit instilled in westerners minds is a major roadblock to upholding Marxism-Leninism in general.
I will concede that while the pamphlet/newspaper thing is actually a good thing that gets made fun of a lot.
