As a member of the central committee for the restablishment of the 12th International (cliffite-posadist) I say this is revisionary bourgeois centralist propaganda and call for your group to be expelled from the party
I mean, to me at least, it just speaks to the meme-level understanding of Trotsky's ideas/Trotskyism that's common among people who radicalized on the internet and think, for whatever reason, that defining themselves as against trots makes them more radical or Marxist or whatever.
Like I can lay out a Marxist analysis of fascism for example, and folks seem to appreciate it, but when you lay out the same analysis and say I borrowed a lot of this from Trotsky, you inevitably get the "begone trot" knee-jerk reactions.
Or just reading through the criticism in this thread, it's fairly obvious that folks understand the theory of permanent revolution on the level of literally just the plain meaning of the name of the theory.
Like, I have a feeling that not a lot of people here would vehemently disagree if I said "the bourgeoisie in the nations dominated by imperialism are so coopted by foreign capital that they are functionally incapable of leading struggles for democratic rights," but that is a key point of P.Rev. and historically a point of disagreement with the Stalinists.
I think it's more akin to the way we use the crab joke, but instead of the whole "left" spectrum, it's directed towards radical leftists. I still think it's funny lol
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Oh God, are icepick jokes to trots what "apache attack helicopter" jokes are to trans people? Do we also only have one joke?
No, there's also the newsletter one.
I actually like the trots, but the newsletter thing is so true.
As a member of the central committee for the restablishment of the 12th International (cliffite-posadist) I say this is revisionary bourgeois centralist propaganda and call for your group to be expelled from the party
Too slow! We're already in a different offshoot party!
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I mean, to me at least, it just speaks to the meme-level understanding of Trotsky's ideas/Trotskyism that's common among people who radicalized on the internet and think, for whatever reason, that defining themselves as against trots makes them more radical or Marxist or whatever.
Like I can lay out a Marxist analysis of fascism for example, and folks seem to appreciate it, but when you lay out the same analysis and say I borrowed a lot of this from Trotsky, you inevitably get the "begone trot" knee-jerk reactions.
Or just reading through the criticism in this thread, it's fairly obvious that folks understand the theory of permanent revolution on the level of literally just the plain meaning of the name of the theory.
Like, I have a feeling that not a lot of people here would vehemently disagree if I said "the bourgeoisie in the nations dominated by imperialism are so coopted by foreign capital that they are functionally incapable of leading struggles for democratic rights," but that is a key point of P.Rev. and historically a point of disagreement with the Stalinists.
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I think it's more akin to the way we use the crab joke, but instead of the whole "left" spectrum, it's directed towards radical leftists. I still think it's funny lol