Do you do any activism or organizing outside of this shitposting forum?
Ya, its harder and harder to find a meaningful amount of time to actually protest and organize with work picking back up but it's real easy to fire off a bunch of comments or tweets over my morning coffee.
I think there's this weird false dicohotomy where we're supposed to pretend that every single post/comment is the entirety of the context for an action or decision. For some reason you can't imagine me sitting in my boxers with my feet up on my desk and drinking my morning coffee BEFORE I start my day. This isn't "my whole day" anymore than its yours. Why talk like it is? This is posting, organizing is something else.
Not on a forum post, buddy. They're literally exactly the same.
Why are you my comments angering you? I really don't get it. "People are being paid to be mean on the internet so lets not pretend that 'troll posters' believe any of what they're saying".
That's the entire point. This community thinks its anti-marketing and anti-consumerism but really its pure marketing and consumerism. It doesn't seem like this forum has any appreciation for new ideas or trying something different. Why would you be scared or angered by the implication that maybe we should rethink our methods? I do it all the time. I question stuff and it helps me come up with better ideas:
Question why you this community is so angry about everything and then try to solve that.
Why not just ignore the negative parts and appreciate the positive? I am actively trying to shake my own internal negativity. You realize the algorithms DO work. They change out how we feel based on the input material we take in. But what if we don't have to take EVERY piece of it in the same way?
Do you think I'm being funded by a rightwing influence peddling, money laundering conservative think take? If not, there's no reason to pretend any of the bad parts of what I'm saying are actually going to matter.
I have never once called you an idiot and I'm sorry you read it that way. I guess I don't understand why the people here don't seem capable or interested in talking to someone they might disagree with. Why are you viewing my ideas as an attack?
holy shit man, does seeing optimism really making you this mad/scared? I can't understand why you'd feel that way.
You're forgetting all the progress and success Bernie had because after fighting to the door, they slammed it shut on us. But that doesn't mean why have to turn around and walk away. We don't have to "go back a few steps" just because they didn't roll out the red carpet.
Why is this community obsessed with the "no" we got at the end instead of the thousands of "yes's" we got along the way?
People actually want healthcare and workers rights but without Michael Brooks, the popular left are angry kids who hate building.
log off and do real political action several times here
This is kind of the problem. You're coming from the right place but you still think these comments matter in and of themselves. I can read thousands of fake comments and never get angry if I don't trick myself into thinking they're real. The internet is a powerful tool for organization if you don't get distracted by corporate optics instead of focusing on countering their tactics.
The real world organizing is more important than ever but why are we pretending its hard to post 10 positive tweets? That shit takes 20 minutes if you can think clearly and it might help but it definitely doesn't cost anyone anything and you can do it over your morning coffee. Stop being drama queens. Doing politics is safe, easy and fun if you're not arguing with bots all day.
All dichotomies are false, never accept the premise.
This is the tactic. The optics are "lets make sure Joe Rogan is the loudest voice in podcasting because he's the only person dumb enough to believe every single thing we have Bret Weinstein tell him on air".
You think you're taking in real information when you're on twitter but every dumb shit, self defeating comment on the internet is coming from marketing interns hired by Geisea. You still think there are meaningful numbers of trolls just because you take "like counts" and "shitty comments" at face value.
You think the "comments" are whats important and therefore don't believe we should both trying to understand the structure of political manipulation and how it's actually happening?
A worldview where you state problems vaguely without proper nouns or any actual understanding of their strategies, can't actually help.
Stop thinking every single thing you've ever felt on the internet is real. Go outside and yell at someone from 10 feet away. Ask em how their day is going it. It'll go a lot better than posting ironic pictures of Nazi's.
I think we can just do a 1:1 comparison. I bet the US has the largest number of political prisoners per capita of any other nation. Every single american in prison for a non-violent crime is a political prisoner. When we stop accepting their weird premises and just think about it from first principles.
500,000 Incarcerated for Drug Crimes
50,000 ICE detainees
%0.16 of the us population are political prisoners
1,500,000 Uyghurs in camps
%0.11 of the chinese population are political prisoners.
And this is me giving the US media the benefit of the doubt and letting them supply the numbers. By any reasonable metric, we're simply worse than china.
It's not that. He's a horrible person. I just don't have any purity test. I'm not voting for messiah. Or voting for good guy. I'm voting between a bad idea and a worse idea. It'll take me 30 minutes, 1 day every 4 years.
The effect of your actions isn't "you doing them" it's what happens next. Compare the "what happens next if biden wins" vs "what happens next if trump wins". That's the question. This purity stuff is just how you keep people stupid. Voting is just a voting and it doesn't effect your actions at any other time then in the booth.
Vote blue no matter who/voting for the lesser evil just perpetuates the evil.
How would that work? Right now we are far left. biden is center right and trump is far right. You have to kinda say "10 concentration camps is the same as 1" and ignore quantitative differences that are real peoples lives. They keep having buy out and blackmail and manchurian the DNC because people want to vote for the further left person but then they create massive propaganda aparatuses to make sure they don't get more than 8 years in a row because they know the overton window will shift and they'll never get a nother chance.
You keep trying to make everything a binary, all or nothing kind of situation as opposed to parts of building something long term.
3 elections without a far right candidate winning and the overton window shifts. biden now. warren later. bernie eventually. And the fact that bernie will be dead by then is the point. The "Bernie" we'll eventually get won't be a 70 year old career politician.
The levers they bought work a certain way, pretending that electoral politics is a dark art we can't study is just silly.
the government is bought off. your vote means nothing
Oh ya donors bought them all how does that prove the second part? It's kind of unrelated. Donors do politics. Vote in a way that'll help the worst donors the worst. I've voting against Manafort, Black and Stone.
I'm sorry I don't understand what you mean. What does this have to do with the strategic value of voting vs not-voting as a long term strategy for increasing worker rights? Electoral strategies aren't for elections, they're for lifetimes. That's why sociopaths like the Koch brothers will always have more of an effect than psychopaths like Steve Bannon.
Lets accept the fact that we have 20-60 years of activism of ahead of ourselves and settle in for the long haul. Voting for the lesser evil, moves that market. That one small president market that's actually just a lagging indicator of other shit. Let's attack the problem from both ends. Vote for the loser, force him to have his donors arrested in March.
Every time you buy a product you're doing this to some degree. This is literally the least powerful way to vote for a rapist because its not monetized. When you shot on amazon you're paying every liberal tech financier with stock in that monstrosity. This is a vote they have to count and can't charge you for.
None, buddy. I just have free time and like talking about big ideas. Why do you think a person's entire identity is what switch they're gonna flip on one day? Activism isn't about a series of transactions, we're building lifelong relationships and thats how we win. Talk me out of voting for Biden. I'm open to it.
What if I engage him in a good faith discussion of long term strategies for change? I'm gonna try that. Thanks though. I don't shit post. I mean everything i say. Stay safe.
Ya, its harder and harder to find a meaningful amount of time to actually protest and organize with work picking back up but it's real easy to fire off a bunch of comments or tweets over my morning coffee.
I think there's this weird false dicohotomy where we're supposed to pretend that every single post/comment is the entirety of the context for an action or decision. For some reason you can't imagine me sitting in my boxers with my feet up on my desk and drinking my morning coffee BEFORE I start my day. This isn't "my whole day" anymore than its yours. Why talk like it is? This is posting, organizing is something else.