Re: Federation

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Being litigated again

The Jakarta method, underselling it, describes US collaboration with right-wing capitalist governments to violently suppress left-wing organizing toward the transition to a socialist economy and mode of production. The Jakarta method differs from previous interventions with a wildly increased emphasis on daily terror, sexual violence and raising home-grown colonial-born, American trained, armed, and funded, equivalents of Weimar Germany's Freikorp via the convergence of interests between liberals (capitalists) and fascists (capitalists).

You're outing yourself by either not knowing, or purposely omitting, the role of the PKI, the world's largest Communist Party outside of China and the Soviet Union. A varied but ultimately democratic socialist organization historically defined and remembered by and because of its pacifism, and self-disarmament.

This Party came in the wave of the Soviet-aligned post-war wave of anti-colonial revolutions and class consciousness that supported solidified after the Soviet defeat of the newcomer fascist bloc of capital (as opposed to the incumbent 'liberal' bloc of capital) during the second world war. Their destruction came after a string of successful resistances to American anti-socialist intervention immediately after the war. In Eastern Europe, in Korea and in Vietnam. The Jakarta method describes a more sophisticated, and wildly more violent and shocking, fascist response to the left-wing self-organization of former-colonial subject states. An intensity and volume of bloodshed, sexual violence, terrorism, and lies that you're repeating to this day.

Repeating because of something as simple and flimsy as an address on a spreadsheet.

Edit: and yes communists and anti-colonialists have for what you're describing, they're called collaborators. You're describing the administrative state that's left in place to manage the flow of commodities and western capital during both formal colonial occupation and the imperialist post-colonial period of capital penetration.

Tying yourself up into knots over explaining legal definitions to the barrel of a gun.

The rules are made up and interpretations are deferred until after the fact to justify the actions and interests of a state.

Any political or historical education would make this abundantly clear but Americans are raised to believe fairy-tales into adulthood.

Liberals really don't have the tools to pick the world apart, only the most educated and outwardly evil liberals like Kissinger are comfortable being honest with themselves.

No wonder you hate socialists.

The USA is willing to let other people kill people in Jakarta. The US military is not doing it themselves which is the difference here.

That's not what the Jakarta method is, sorry but you don't know what you're talking about.

The rest of your post compounds on that ignorance.

You can try saying that but you have a giant gap in your history education, and with that, a fundamentally incomplete way of seeing and interpreting the world, and world events.

You don't seem to be aware of Afghanistan pre-American intervention, the left direction of Afghanistan's development (the sovietization of Afghanistan), its former place in the international socialist bloc, or the reasons driving the nation's current relations with China.

Take a long look at America's relationship to the UAE and Israeli right-bulwarks and the general relationship and co-operation between the Soviets and the Islamic regions of the world. For whatever mistakes they made there were strong bonds between Soviets and Islam and together they would have built the middle east into the center of the advanced world again. The eastern republics would have landed on the Lunar South pole well before India did this month.

The US has no interest in mutual and internationalist development, the entire core logic of the American project is post-colonial extraction. There aren't sufficient democratic structures of enough robustness and sophistication to steer the project otherwise. Underlying any and all decisions by the American state is nothing and only capital.

The Taliban closed the opium trade but the big picture is they are still exporting low-value form commodities (raw oil, ore) instead of retaining enough surplus to develop the means to produce high-value form goods (gasoline, electronics, stainless steel medical needles) which is what a left wing government would (did, 1987-1992) do.

If the U.S Government was unsuccessful in supplying and elevating the Gorbachev clique into power and unsuccessful in arming the Mujahideen+ affiliates (which consolidated into the Taliban), the Republic of Afghanistan would probably have fully secularized and industrialized by now.

Any space for right extremism would have been taken up by universal high education, land-reform, cyberneticist economic planning, advanced high-value production and other zero-poverty + full-employment initiatives.

They don't care, Americans destroyed every building in Korea (the famous "no targets remaining" quote). Giving almost every right-wing group in the country rifles and stinger missiles, to throw the country into a permanent state of civil war, has the exact same effect as carpet bombing.

Minus the invasion consolidating into a left-wing anti-American socialist front, which happened in Korea, Vietnam, Laos and Cuba.

A permanent civil war, lead by a right wing government, still allows the export of surplus value which is collected by Americans. A left-wing government would try to keep that surplus inside the country to further develop means of production.

It's called Shock therapy and even some liberals (the most politically educated and articulate) are conscious of this happening.

Henry Kissinger's life work is architecting American interventions that result in right-wing reactions rather than left-wing ones. Give all the right-wing groups guns, they kill the left, the country remains defenceless from extraction, and by the time Americans intervene it's multiple squabbling right-wing militias instead of a united socialist front with an industrial base and functioning anti-air missiles.

They have no choice because Americans gave the Mujahideen (and affiliates which later consolidated into the Taliban) guns and Stinger missiles to overthrow the democratically elected socialist Republic of Afghanistan in 1992.

The American government gave rural right-wing evangelists the weapons necessary to overthrow the socialist government elected by a huge majority in the secular left-wing cities. Does that sound familiar?

Imagine thinking world events happen because of whoever is on TV

The Taliban governs Afghanistan because Americans overthrew the previous secular left-wing Republic of Afghanistan government because the Republic made extracting surplus value from the region difficult.

The Taliban is in power because white Americans are so bloodthirsty and unhinged that Afghanis prefer a far-right evangelical government to a permanent fascist colonial occupation with liberal aesthetics.

They will remain in power because Americans funneled so many weapons to right wing paramilitary death squads like the Mujahideen and others (which consolidated into the Taliban) that the country will never be stable enough to return to secular and left-wing governance.

This is why China is pouring money into Afghanistan, if the country becomes stable enough, Afghanistan becomes a reliable partner nation and connects China to the Europe, right wing thought and nationalism is eroded by education into solidarity and internationalism, and the conditions for left wing organizing can eventually return.

Which means oil is processed in the county, and the surplus value produced by those high-value form petroleum products remain in the hands of the people that live and work there, instead of the surplus value being siphoned of out of the country by the American corporations that Americans like to pretend are separate from the American government. Which is why Americans intervened to begin with.

The US is willing to kill hundreds of thousands (millions) of people for trying to pass things like small labor reforms i.e the Jakarta Method in Indonesia

Americans are the drug trade, the world supply of opium dropped to almost nothing after Americans retreated from Afghanistan and the Taliban re-established their already right-wing, pre-American invasion policies on poppy crops.

The drug war funds the CIA black budget the same way Civil Asset Forfeiture funds your local police department.

As to drones, would you rather use live soldiers to carry out missions given the possibility of their death?

As for Snowden, what makes him any different from Aldrich Ames, Robert Hanssen or many more? Just because you claim the high ground doesn't mean you own it.

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The way we fight terrorists is to decapitate the head of their organization ...They are the targets ... But, both are not clean ... You may argue they shouldn't be killed in the first place, but I believe it was necessary.

You don't know if Snowden wasn't a [Russian] agent by the evidence. He stole intelligence and ... went running to Russia. I don't think a Russian intelligence agency could ask for anything more.

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"American empire" - yawn

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Actual genuine Dronies wandering into Hexbear writing apologia for American war crimes

'Drones save lives'

'America is not an empire, sweaty'

Get your fresh slop comrades,

Edit: Better mobile link https://hexbear.net/post/448430

"No investigation, no right to speak" is an extremely easy bar to clear and a very easy thing to learn when you're entering any space you're not familiar with or held by a cultural or other group you are not a member of.

Don't talk over people if you don't know what you're talking about. You obviously don't have to know everything. If you don't know you listen before you talk.

Wandering into a communist website and refusing to leave lmao have fun baby

I'd like to thank federation for reminding me that liberalism is a festering husk kept afloat solely by the collection of literal compound interest on 500 years of genocidal plunder.

The liberal mind is where critical thinking skills go to lay down and die. Lemmy and the anglosphere writ large is a space of pure mental atrophy where you can see reflected the decline of the Western bloc in real time. No one left to fill critical roles, every administrative organ just exposed to open air, infected and dying.

Colonisers were never supposed to believe the words they were saying.

Lmao ok settler how about you replace a few lead pipes in the ghettos you've enclosed the First Nations in before talking about democracy.

Maybe return 1 square meter of land?

Democracy is even you feel good about being white

They're not stupid they're reproducing the centuries of genocide they sprouted from.

You can pretend to punch down all you want, they're the slave catchers that protect private property as police, the intelligence agencies began as union busting Pinkerton, and the genocidal settler state that began as a genocidal settler state.

Even in their wildest fantasies liberals see themselves as morons being outsmarted by Chinese teenagers

Liberals know exactly one thing about history and it's not even true

It's also not true at all, i.e not a fact. Chamberlain wanted to collaborate with Hitler, not appease him.

Of course this is only surprising to Liberals who can't imagine why the leader of the British Empire would be a fascist 🤔💭◻️