dufftron [none/use name]

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Joined 4 years ago
Cake day: July 30th, 2020
  • dufftron [none/use name]tomain•*Permanently Deleted*
    14·
    4 years ago

    Love living in an age where people are okay with ANYONE being foreable re-educated due to their ethnicity or religion....

    Just because they exhagerate the crime, doesnt make it right.

    Forced camps are racist cop shit. Yall are bootlickers

  • dufftron [none/use name]tomain•*Permanently Deleted*
    10·
    4 years ago

    54 countries support forced reeducation of violent muslims.... that does nothing except prove that countries are willing to continue being racist in exchange for investment from China....

    No one here is even DENYING that they have forced re-education camps. China admits it, yall are admitting it, and that stupid google document constantly admits it...

    If you are PRO re-education camp in this camp: your interest in the working class, and the plight of minorities is nothing but performative. You dont believe all the shit you pat yourself on the back for.

  • dufftron [none/use name]tomain•*Permanently Deleted*
    8·
    4 years ago

    YES they have had it better than those absolutely persecuted peoples. That isn't a reason to stand by and condone racial prejudice... which is exactly what you are doing....

    And there have been PLENTY of investigation, you just declare anything you disagree with as a CIA shill, which is incredibly myopic.

  • dufftron [none/use name]tomain•*Permanently Deleted*
    8·
    4 years ago

    You can't possibly argue that the Uighurs have had a good time in China... Its just... so separate from reality its impossible to debate with you.

    Being exempt from the one-child policy has absolutely 0 connection to what its like to live in Western China as a minority.

    Its like you're trying to tell me that Mexicans have had a great time in Arizona, because the Latin Chamber of Commerce offers scholarships to some students... You're completely ignoring the lived experience of the people on the ground... and their material/social disadvantages.

  • dufftron [none/use name]tomain•*Permanently Deleted*
    10·
    4 years ago

    This isn't a source, this is an absolutely rambling manifesto.

    What is the point of this document? It seems to be a combination of:

    a) justifying the vocational camps by providing evidence that muslims can be radicalized... which is the exact same racist imperialist justificationf for war/power bullshit we always see....

    b) discrediting some of the reporting of the muslims camps by attacking the credibility of the sources... which yes, is a legit point... but theyre talking about a few of literally hundreds of sources now.

    c)going on a long tyrade about how nice China is to minorities... which 1) who gives a shit its irrelevant to whats happening now and 2) is propaganda nonsense.

    Go out and actually SPEAK to some Chinese people. Go visit China. My chinese mates are the FIRST to admit that Chinese people are not racist, but the government itself is PROFOUNDLY racist...

    As leftists, how you can basically ignore the plight of working class minorities... because of a hardon for their government... is pretty fucking lame.

    The big, long document CLEARLY states the goal of these camps WHICH EXIST: "To strictly prevent and crack down on extremist terrorism" and to "Hold high the banner of solidarity of all ethnic groups, and promote unity.... and recognition of chinese culture"

    So basically they ADMIT its happening, and say its happening because ooooh scary terrorism, but really theyre doing it to promote "unity" which means: "Everyone act like han chinese people so we dont fight"

    This whole uigher denial stuff started in our community as a REACTION to reddit claiming it was a second holocaust --- which it is NOT. We went over the top, in order to belittle them ironically for being so reactionary. They were blowing a bad thing: forced reeducation of 100,000s of minorities into: genocide of millions of people! Which is ridiculous because its out of proportion, and incredibly stupid given that America has literally murdered more muslims than LIVE in china...

    But then everyone gets sent to chapo.chat for an echo-chamber treatment... and now the joke has turned into a bunch of edgy teenagers outright denying what is a very real, albeit slightly less devastating, human rights abuse.

    Ya'll come off like holocaust deniers with your rambling google docs, and outright denial of piles of evidence its fucking embarassing.

  • dufftron [none/use name]tomain•*Permanently Deleted*
    12·
    4 years ago

    If you are going to declare literally ANY new source a CIA shill, then I don't know what to tell you. If you can look at the satellite imagery of homes being destroyed en masse, and camps being built and say: "that is 100% consensual redevelopment and vocational training" ... I don't know what to tell you. You need to get on a plane, fly to Urumqi, sit through about 2 weeks of beauracratic bullshit, then go speak to people on the ground. Muslims are treated like second class citizens. Theyre constantly discriminated against, they get lower pay, they have 0 control over their futures inthe country, and they are legit scared. Go to a cafe, and watch Han people throw food and napkins at Muslim waiters, and shout insults at them. Sometimes you actually need to leave your basement and see the world...

    You cant GET a muslim to speak to you most of the time, because they're fucking scared, and 95% of the time your government escort is strongarming you into 100% han businesses/areas.

    And AGAIN if you think all 300 of these sources are CIA propaganda... I dont know what to say to you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_re-education_camps

  • dufftron [none/use name]tomain•*Permanently Deleted*
    15·
    4 years ago

    I'm sorry, but I find the Chapo perspective on this to be absolutely disgusting.

    Are you guys seriously denying that these camps exist? They arent killing people in the camps... but putting a religious minority in camps is objectively wrong...

    Is the issue that you think these camps are mislabelled? Or that they are completely fabricated?

    I'm honestly going to quit this stupid fucking website soon. A bunch of privilidged white teenagers cheering as people who actually struggle are living half-lives under state capitalism. Its disgusting.

    No, its not as bad as bombing muslim people... but putting thousands of them in camps is fucking wrong. Its not a fairytale. I've spent a LOT of time in western china, and the Muslim population are treated like absolute shit.

    Muslim STATES don't give a shit about other muslims, in other countries. That has literally ALWAYS been the case. The people living in those countries actually DO give a shit, and talk about this situation all of the time... But none of you would know that, because you're a bunch of rich lib teenagers living off your parents teet roleplaying revolutionary from behind a 2000 dollar screen. Fuck off.

    Now downvote me instead of providing an actual argument, or proof these camps are "invented", because you're a bunch of cowards who would rather parrot nonsense than read literally anything.

  • dufftron [none/use name]toaskchapo•*Permanently Deleted*
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    4 years ago

    90% of cleaning should be done by the people making the mess. That requires an adjustment in our cultural view of labour. Cleaning isnt below certain people, or certain roles... its simply a part of every role. Specialty cleaning, and cleaning of public spaces, would presumably be automated to some extent - and the folks running the machines, and doing the labour, would just get job benefits to compensate for the shittiness of their work like lower than average working hour, or a fancier place to live.