fuck im jealous. one of my closest friends likes to pretend he's leftist but then he basically said theres only been red fascism, not communism and im just like yea ok.
they did a heckin red fascism by collectivizing agriculture and extending healthcare coverage to millions of people
Apparently TikTok arguments about communism exist, because I got in one today lol.
The TikTok AI has started making like every other video for me some bad take about communism probably because I’m always baited into engaging with it
I finally got the algorithm to almost exclusively show me leftist stuff, it’s pretty cool now. Do kind of miss all of the anime tiddies though.
hell yeah
i kind of have to go the route of "if this is actually a genocide against muslims, why is it america which cares the most and literally every single muslim country in the world which doesn't care?" to which the common response is "well those brown muslim savages are all bought by china of course!"
I always like to argue, why do you think America a country whose president actively killed an estimated 1 million Iraqis care about Chinese Muslims in the region.
killed an estimated 1 million Iraqis
The number is north of 2.4 million, but what's a million Iraqi lives between imperialists?
I feel like 2.4 million people is the point where Americans go from stupid to evil
I meant those stupid enough to believe Uyghur genocide claims
Just bring up Yemen to these dolts, they short circuit or just say "yeah good point" then keep freaking out about china
some chick i used to stick it to went from being a lib to marrying a Jewish guy, converting, and defending Israel all the time on social media. I told her how she was wrong and peaced out. just gross. some white woman who lives in San Francisco, cares soooo much about First Nation/indigenous people here and then support apartheid and colonization.
Even if they did it would inevitably end up being a destitute shithole due to the history up until that point. There is no way there would be anything close to the major amount of assistance and reparations needed to set up a successful Palestinian state.
I know someone just like this who also posted on IG asking if anyone knew if there was a anti-maduro protest happening sometime back. That post made me unfollow, i never talked to her anymore anyway
If that's enough to stump your friends, then they should read up on the many different types of muslims and the conflicts they've had over the past decades/centuries because history has shown it is very possible for muslims in one country to hate muslims in another country. Or they could just watch the Qatar vs UAE semi final of the Asian Cup in 2019 lol
Libs arguing that Uighers are juuuuuuust fine, because other Muslims would say something otherwise... are fucking morons who have never read history.
What’s the best response to when people come up with specific people speaking out? It feels rude to say but are we just supposed to blindly believe every story? Lol
Within living memory we've used (and I'm speaking generously here) exaggerated eyewitness testimony as a pretext for war. And of course eyewitness testimony in general is not exactly reliable.
Plus, compare the scale of what's being alleged to the scale of eyewitness reports. If you're claiming horrible things are happening to millions of people, and all you can produce is a dozen eyewitnesses, that seems suspect.
See also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atrocity_propaganda
there was some aussie uyghur poet that made the rounds about her father dying. china confirmed but said he died of tb and pneumonia, she's saying this is impossible.
its like, i dont wanna call her a liar,but she's also making assumptions, how do we know what she's alleging is true?? but when you question testimonies like this, you are heartless. mentioning nayirah probably is the best concrete example
She doesn't have to be a liar -- she could just be mistaken. Was she with her father when he died?
when you question testimonies like this, you are heartless
It might help to bring up the tension between having a heart and being a sucker. You want to take serious claims seriously, but that doesn't mean that all of those claims turn out to be 100% true. People sometimes make mistakes, people sometimes misremember, and people sometimes lie. The conversation doesn't end at the initial claim.
no, she was in a different country.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/02/china-confirms-death-of-uighur-man-whose-family-says-was-held-in-xinjiang-camps - this was the story, struggled with a friend with this one.
i think thats good advice. like for me, im not dumb, i know these camps probably aren't great living conditions (tho, ... arne't most of them closed at this point?), and i am sure there are decisions made by people who don't have the lives of muslims' best interest at heart, and decisions made by people who do. its just when its been amped up to "its a genocide and there are more than 30% of all uyghurs in camps and they're all being sterilized" all nuance has already been sucked dry from the conversation...
As tedious as it is, I think you do have to dig into the details of stories like these to show that they're not fully reliable. For instance:
Abdulghafur, a poet and activist living in Australia, said she last heard from her father in April 2016 when he left her a voice message on WeChat saying: “‘I have something urgent to tell you please call me’, but when I called him back he wasn’t there.”...
Abdulghafur believes her father was sent to the camps in March 2017...
One of thousands of Uighurs now living in Australia, Abdulghafur said it’s not safe for her to contact her family in Xinjiang directly
How does she know where her father was in March 2017 if she hadn't heard from him since April 2016? And what does she mean by "it's not safe to contact family directly" when she's reporting WeChat calls between her and her father?
These aren't "gotcha" questions. They're not conspiracy-brained overthinking of irrelevant details. They're basic follow up about how she knew what she's claiming to know and how consistent the main narrative of her story is. It's rudimentary factual stuff like "if you were on Baker Street at 7:00, how did you see what was going on five blocks away at 7:05?" The explanation for these discrepancies doesn't have to be her lying, either. Maybe she was understandably fucked up over a parent's death and -- because the whole Anglo world is beating the "China bad" drum and she lives in Australia -- her response was to look for someone to blame.
"If he died of anything it would have been diabetes."
Oh for fuck's sake: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5240796
“I know my father’s health and I’ve been talking about his health issues. He had a (tuberculosis) shot.”
TB Vaccine (BCG) does not always protect people from getting TB. (via CDC.gov)
With basically all vaccines, some cannot be immunized (allergic, too young, or too old) and sometimes a vaccine randomly fails, so a high percentage of the population needs vaccination to achieve herd immunity and protect them. (short animation)Authorities gave no information about his burial, or the location of his body.
TB infected cadavers can remain infectious at least 48 hours even after embalming.
When there is no family that medical staff can contact, burial is not worth the cost or risk of infecting and killing other people, so he was obviously cremated.The sad thing about this Uighur genocide propaganda is that people outside of China develop paranoia about it.
These people act like it is the Chinese government's responsibility to find their lost contacts; as if family members do not have a right to privacy either.Here are two highly illustrative stories from CGTV:
Lost contact with family and Uighur burial sites. Also follow up via BBC.
Using a drowned child for propaganda, this one is hard to watch.The only heartless people here are those imperialist propagandists.
Ahh, I see you've attended the Candace Owens School of Checkmates
And all the slaps slop it up because they simply nod and agree with it.
Let's just say he doesn't have a great track record of identifying when a genocide is and isn't happening.
