This is super late cause work and sleep, but... :yea:
While Jordan Peterson is a hack, I think something can be said for the "take a bath/clean your room" thing boosting people's confidence enough to form a personality cult over it. Doing little self care/maintenance behaviors is a bit like the beginnings of forcing a self love on yourself that most lonely people seem to struggle with. People who take even a modicum of care for themselves, I think, have this glow that just makes them more approachable. So it seems like a logical first step for anyone trying to get out of a rut. I think that's why hexbear does the "go to the gym" thing, too.
But besides that there's just having some interests or hobbies, too (really common advice, I know). Something that you just do for you to make yourself feel more whole or connected with reality. People notice that and more often want to connect with that homey feeling in a person. I think that's why people tend to be drawn to watching people do old handicrafts, or speedrunning games, or sports.
There are some theories that love has to do with how we direct our attention, so while our base judgement of people who are more active is "X likes Y because they're better than me", I don't think that's really ever the case like how incels view things like a meat market. People who are genuinely looking to connect with someone want to see that that person is attentive: to themselves, to their surroundings, to others. People will value different signifiers based on how they grew up, obviously, but I think that attentiveness and self love is what they all those signifiers have in common.
The big problem is that a lot of this is stuff that I've genuinely been trying to work hard on for the last 4-5 years, and not only has it not really changed anything socially about my life (although I have been slightly more stable in employment), it's all come crashing down on me lately. I got a real bad leg injury (like, probably gonna require surgery to reattach something bad) in the course of keeping up with my regular weight-training routine & my work, and not only is it costing me a lot of money, but it's also prevented me from moving forward with my life (i.e. getting my own place closer to work).
I'm also someone who didn't have a lot of opportunities growing up, I don't feel. I come from, & still live in, a small & relatively poor community, and I myself lived in a trailer park until I was about 12. I've also got ASD, and it's significant enough that I got diagnosed very young & spent nearly all my school years in special education; and where I went to school they were very big on physical restraint & isolation as punishments. My parents, just as well, had a lot of their own problems & were not generally able to pay attention to what was going on with me, or my sister (who has had a whole host of problems on here own). I never had a lot of chances to make friends with people in my time, and when I have tried most don't seem to care for my company, or my particularities. Admittedly some of that is my own fault though I suppose, as I was not a very happy or positive person for a very long time, and in a lot of ways I'm still not most of the time though I still try & do what I think is right.
I suppose for all of those reasons I don't really have the ability to be as naturally "attentive" as people might ask or expect of me; and that makes me very dubious of my ability to ever really be a part of society.
...
I'm not sure how I want to conclude this now as it's close to my bedtime, and I'm running out of brain-power to formulate & connect ideas with; but I hope you can figure out what I'm trying to get at here.
I suppose for all of those reasons I don’t really have the ability to be as naturally “attentive” as people might ask or expect of me; and that makes me very dubious of my ability to ever really be a part of society.
That's fair, though honestly quite a lot of people mostly take on the aesthetic of attentiveness through charisma but fall flat once people get to know them.
I think it's understandable that you're probably not actively trying to be selfish, but it can come off that way to someone not used to speaking to people with ASD. It may help to try to get advice from other people with ASD on things they do to mask effectively and such, and given the commonality there it might be possible to form friendships based on that empathy.
Other than that I think if you're trying to slow down, common "nerd" hobbies might be places to find more people who get what you're about. I've been considering that myself, tbh.
Well see, that's the problem with it, that's why I wanted to move closer to where I work. The town I live in has a population of only ~10k people (or less, more likely less frankly), and the last time they measured it the per-capita income of the place was less than half the national average (just a little bit less than that of Russia, and about +80% that of China, but without any of the social services that presumably would be available there). To drive the point home I suppose, one of only two people that I was ever friends with here grew up in a literal tar-paper shack on the outskirts of town. He didn't have reliable access to water for most of the time I knew him, his family got into a spat with the local public utilities board over fines not paid that resulted in them losing garbage removal services for a time, and I once had to sell off most of my own personal affects to keep them from getting evicted when his mom got her disability checks cut off.
So my point here is like; people have tried to open those kinds of stores here before, but there's no fuckin' money here to keep them open.
I do think that sucks and you should be doing better given your description of the kind of person you've been but...yeah, it's crazy how small towns are dying. That's the reason I left one. I'm sorry.
I'm sorry if it's uncomfortable bringing up such matters, I don't mean to impose; I'm mostly just trying to accurately describe the situation I've got myself into.
It's not a big deal! We just kinda reached a point where I'm at the end of what I can say about it. In an ideal society people would be a little more kind to strangers, but in ours sometimes you just have to meet the rest of society halfway because they don't like to budge. But as far as small town life goes, I'm just at the limit of my advice. That's a systemic/structural thing that's beyond me.
I do genuinely hope things look up for you, though.
This is super late cause work and sleep, but... :yea:
While Jordan Peterson is a hack, I think something can be said for the "take a bath/clean your room" thing boosting people's confidence enough to form a personality cult over it. Doing little self care/maintenance behaviors is a bit like the beginnings of forcing a self love on yourself that most lonely people seem to struggle with. People who take even a modicum of care for themselves, I think, have this glow that just makes them more approachable. So it seems like a logical first step for anyone trying to get out of a rut. I think that's why hexbear does the "go to the gym" thing, too.
But besides that there's just having some interests or hobbies, too (really common advice, I know). Something that you just do for you to make yourself feel more whole or connected with reality. People notice that and more often want to connect with that homey feeling in a person. I think that's why people tend to be drawn to watching people do old handicrafts, or speedrunning games, or sports.
There are some theories that love has to do with how we direct our attention, so while our base judgement of people who are more active is "X likes Y because they're better than me", I don't think that's really ever the case like how incels view things like a meat market. People who are genuinely looking to connect with someone want to see that that person is attentive: to themselves, to their surroundings, to others. People will value different signifiers based on how they grew up, obviously, but I think that attentiveness and self love is what they all those signifiers have in common.
The big problem is that a lot of this is stuff that I've genuinely been trying to work hard on for the last 4-5 years, and not only has it not really changed anything socially about my life (although I have been slightly more stable in employment), it's all come crashing down on me lately. I got a real bad leg injury (like, probably gonna require surgery to reattach something bad) in the course of keeping up with my regular weight-training routine & my work, and not only is it costing me a lot of money, but it's also prevented me from moving forward with my life (i.e. getting my own place closer to work).
I'm also someone who didn't have a lot of opportunities growing up, I don't feel. I come from, & still live in, a small & relatively poor community, and I myself lived in a trailer park until I was about 12. I've also got ASD, and it's significant enough that I got diagnosed very young & spent nearly all my school years in special education; and where I went to school they were very big on physical restraint & isolation as punishments. My parents, just as well, had a lot of their own problems & were not generally able to pay attention to what was going on with me, or my sister (who has had a whole host of problems on here own). I never had a lot of chances to make friends with people in my time, and when I have tried most don't seem to care for my company, or my particularities. Admittedly some of that is my own fault though I suppose, as I was not a very happy or positive person for a very long time, and in a lot of ways I'm still not most of the time though I still try & do what I think is right.
I suppose for all of those reasons I don't really have the ability to be as naturally "attentive" as people might ask or expect of me; and that makes me very dubious of my ability to ever really be a part of society.
...
I'm not sure how I want to conclude this now as it's close to my bedtime, and I'm running out of brain-power to formulate & connect ideas with; but I hope you can figure out what I'm trying to get at here.
That's fair, though honestly quite a lot of people mostly take on the aesthetic of attentiveness through charisma but fall flat once people get to know them.
I think it's understandable that you're probably not actively trying to be selfish, but it can come off that way to someone not used to speaking to people with ASD. It may help to try to get advice from other people with ASD on things they do to mask effectively and such, and given the commonality there it might be possible to form friendships based on that empathy.
Other than that I think if you're trying to slow down, common "nerd" hobbies might be places to find more people who get what you're about. I've been considering that myself, tbh.
Well see, that's the problem with it, that's why I wanted to move closer to where I work. The town I live in has a population of only ~10k people (or less, more likely less frankly), and the last time they measured it the per-capita income of the place was less than half the national average (just a little bit less than that of Russia, and about +80% that of China, but without any of the social services that presumably would be available there). To drive the point home I suppose, one of only two people that I was ever friends with here grew up in a literal tar-paper shack on the outskirts of town. He didn't have reliable access to water for most of the time I knew him, his family got into a spat with the local public utilities board over fines not paid that resulted in them losing garbage removal services for a time, and I once had to sell off most of my own personal affects to keep them from getting evicted when his mom got her disability checks cut off.
So my point here is like; people have tried to open those kinds of stores here before, but there's no fuckin' money here to keep them open.
I do think that sucks and you should be doing better given your description of the kind of person you've been but...yeah, it's crazy how small towns are dying. That's the reason I left one. I'm sorry.
I'm sorry if it's uncomfortable bringing up such matters, I don't mean to impose; I'm mostly just trying to accurately describe the situation I've got myself into.
It's not a big deal! We just kinda reached a point where I'm at the end of what I can say about it. In an ideal society people would be a little more kind to strangers, but in ours sometimes you just have to meet the rest of society halfway because they don't like to budge. But as far as small town life goes, I'm just at the limit of my advice. That's a systemic/structural thing that's beyond me.
I do genuinely hope things look up for you, though.