Struggle session engage. Post your pathetic arguments so that I and the other China Good Posters can dismantle them and you can learn.

Key points:

  • China is a democracy. It is arguably the most functional and responsive democracy in a major country today. Its citizens consider it more democratic than the citizens of almost any other country do their own.

  • China is on a clear path to socialism and economic justice. No nation in history has ever reduced poverty in anything like the way China is doing it.

  • The vast majority of people in the PRC support the CPC. This is not due to being brainwashed. Americans are brainwashed and still hate their government.

  • Almost everything you hear about China in the West sits on a spectrum between malicious misrepresentation to outright fabrication with no basis in reality.

  • China's ascension to the premiere global power is an extremely good thing for world peace and the global socialist movement. While China does not actively support other socialisms (sadly it's not as good as the USSR in this regard) it does not do imperialism. China will allow socialisms around the world to flourish simply by not actively crushing them like the US and Europe.

  • FRIENDLY_BUTTMUNCHER [she/her]
    5·
    4 years ago

    it does not do imperialism.

    Isn't China building islands in the middle of the South China Sea in order to claim large swaths of it?

    https://www.uscc.gov/research/chinas-island-building-south-china-sea-damage-marine-environment-implications-and#:~:text=Summary%3A,of%20the%20South%20China%20Sea. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luTPMHC7zHY&list=PLZLDyYaVeZPC8CAsUrcdrWU1qMg56oGPe (yeah I know USA stupid) https://thediplomat.com/2016/07/why-china-wont-stop-island-building-in-the-south-china-sea/ https://www.rt.com/news/383758-philippines-occupy-spratly-islands/ https://www.defensenews.com/opinion/commentary/2020/04/17/chinas-island-fortifications-are-a-challenge-to-international-norms/ https://www.reuters.com/article/us-vietnam-china-southchinasea-idUSKBN25M0Y5

    • FloridaWater [none/use name]
      1·
      4 years ago

      China was a latecomer in terms of SCS island building. Vietnam did it first. China just did it bigger.

    • EthicalHumanMeat [he/him]
      1·
      4 years ago

      Even if China's claims to this maritime territory are illegitimate, this doesn't qualify as imperialism in the Marxist sense:

      (1) the concentration of production and capital has developed to such a high stage that it has created monopolies which play a decisive role in economic life; (2) the merging of bank capital with industrial capital, and the creation, on the basis of this “finance capital”, of a financial oligarchy; (3) the export of capital as distinguished from the export of commodities acquires exceptional importance; (4) the formation of international monopolist capitalist associations which share the world among themselves, and (5) the territorial division of the whole world among the biggest capitalist powers is completed. Imperialism is capitalism at that stage of development at which the dominance of monopolies and finance capital is established; in which the export of capital has acquired pronounced importance; in which the division of the world among the international trusts has begun, in which the division of all territories of the globe among the biggest capitalist powers has been completed.

    • CallMeALibItsAllGood [none/use name]
      13·
      4 years ago

      This is where the tankie dorks go, "If America gets to have bases in the Pacific, then so does China!"

      Yeah, but do they need to bully other island nations out of their domestic open waters?

      "Hahaha moron, those countries are allied with the US so they deserve to be trampled!"

      • snackage [he/him]
        4·
        4 years ago

        As the name suggests China actually has shores on the South China Sea and is well within their rights to secure those waters from a global navy that has lost nothing this far away from home.

        • Classic_Agency [he/him,comrade/them]
          3·
          4 years ago

          They are claiming islands from the Phillipines and Vietnam, not the United States. What they are doing does not challenge US imperialism.

        • CallMeALibItsAllGood [none/use name]
          17·
          4 years ago

          As the name suggests China actually has shores on the South China Sea

          This is so laughably hilarious. I guess because American Somoa or North/South America is in the name, the United States of America gets to lay claim.

          "What Latin American coups? You mean the domestic ones?"