Kwame Ture: "If you were a slave and I was your master, and the only way for you to be free was to strike a blow and kill me, what would you do?" (The lib walked away rather than answer lol)

  • HoChiMaxh [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    I love Kwame so much. It makes me so :doomjak: to see the left has seemingly lost all its charismatic rhetoriticians. We have no Tures, no Parentis, no Malcolms, no Hamptons left.

    • machiabelly [she/her]
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      2 years ago

      Its because people have lost all faith in political actions and solutions. Everyone charismatic streams on twitch. Everyone smart is high.

      The few that arent simply dont participate in actions that will give them a national profile.

    • Evilsandwichman [none/use name]
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      2 years ago

      That speech was "and then everyone clapped" but for real; today, if you present a solid argument against someone like Ben Shaprio, he'll just worm out some ridiculous argument just to avoid the point. At the very least here, at the very absolute least here, this lib shut his mouth and left. You tell that to people today and they'll just try and argue with you no matter what, and sadly I've seen enough of it to imagine exactly what they'd say:

      "Doesn't matter, slavery's illegal now"

      "No, I'd try and flee because murder is against the law; slavery wasn't"

      "So let's say, hypothetically speaking, let's say that you've treated me well, and I have a roof over my head, food to eat; you don't think life could be worse out there? You don't think maybe actually it's not the worst thing in the world?"

      "There are place today where slavery does exist, you're not a slave!"

      Unfortunately I can't tell when I hear these people whether I'm hearing libs or people who have no idea they're just reactionaries. There was a guy having a debate with Hasan, who when Hasan pointed out that there was a Republican candidate for congress who was a member of America's Nazi party (maybe even the head of that party) asked "but did he say he was a Nazi?", and he insisted on that point, until several minutes later when he had to admit that okay he can't hold to that point. These people aren't looking for an honest discussion or debate, they're looking to argue. It doesn't matter what rhetoricians you can find, the strategy today from libs and reactionaries is just argue, argue, argue. It's like that metaphor about playing chess with a pigeon: it'll just crap on the board and then strut around as though it had won.

      • HoChiMaxh [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        I think there's maybe a mistake to think what I mean is that we don't have people to individually own libs and CHUDs. I don't care about that, what Ture specifically did here didn't matter.

        What he was was a big personality who could draw people to him to listen to his highly charismatic, engaging and rousing speeches. That's what I care about having lost.

    • SaniFlush [any, any]
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      2 years ago

      Social media. Anybody who is even mildly charismatic near instantly outs themself as a jackass in Twitter. The ones are are slightly better at keeping their mouth shut are all sex offenders.

      • SerLava [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        And then you have once in a generation exceptions and they just suddenly die for no reason :deeper-sadness: