I disagree. I strive for a world in which humans have rational control over things, after the economy and nature so that we don't have to spend a lot of time and keep it going, there is no reason not to have rational control over the adverse effects of aging.
Spend more time in nursing homes watching people rot to death. Or well less, honestly it is a bad scene. After the revolution ™️ we'll find some way to preserve people's dignity and quality of life as they age, not just the rich
Spend more time in nursing homes watching people rot to death. Or well less, honestly it is a bad scene.
Yeah seriously, I have no idea what kind of idealistic world Assian_Candor lives in. It's not just the isolation that makes nursing homes sad. It's the actual physical state that those people are in. But oh well, trying to help them in their physical ailments won't be "as beautiful" or whatever
They make a good point about gracefully accepting fate. That is important. However it would be more ideal if we could limit the amount of accepting decay you had to do at any one time.
I find the prospect of a world where humans have rational control over nature terrifying.
Because we’re not wise enough? Human nature can change. We can grow wiser as a species — especially if we live longer.
No more wrinkles, no more gray hair… We will have lost something beautiful
Wrinkles aren’t just cosmetic, they form as the connective tissue in your skin breaks down, making your skin thinner, more fragile, and less elastic. This in turn limits what you can do and experience.
I don’t find that beautiful. What I find beautiful is the stuff that comes along with it. Gaining perspective, watching your children and grandchildren grow up, guiding the next generation, focusing less on yourself.
I don’t think we need to slowly decay to have these features in the world.
Wrinkles aren’t just cosmetic, they form as the connective tissue in your skin breaks down, making your skin thinner, more fragile, and less elastic. This in turn limits what you can do and experience.
You're exactly right.
No more wrinkles, no more gray hair… We will have lost something beautiful
This is what lack of scientific literacy does to a MF. Ask any older person and they'll tell you that being old (wrinkles, aches, etc) sucks. It's a shame that some people don't get that.
I don't care so much about how I look, but about the hurt and the choice not a community or me can do in regards to aging. I mean currently medication and good food and good infrastructure can people have 90 years of life expectancy, if you look at workers in more shitty situations they are dying like 20 years earlier. This is an injustice and it will stay an injustice in communism if there would be ways for people to live longer. That is a debate and choice that has to be then be done.
There is nothing holy in the arbitrary life expectancy that material conditions and evolutions "gave" us. I do see how a "change" in population might be seen as beautiful, but I believe that we will not become immortal (but even if we did), so it just is a question about communist reproduction of society. It might ensure that more people can care for a child? In any case currently it is mostly utopian, but the reality is that we can increase the life span of people by decades as society. That is something that Cuba does and they have my support for that. With medication that is upcoming people will likely have a higher quality of life till the climate catastrophe disrupts the production of those, how to distribute them for me is an analogous question. Especially since a few comrades of mine would be dead already without medication.
What I said is aging is natural and normal and not something that needs to be addressed by medical technology.
So what about age-related (more like age-caused) diseases? Should we not do anything about them? Instead of treating the symptoms, why not address the cause? I don't see this distinction you're making. It seems like an arbitrary one, since a lot of diseases and conditions are "natural."
Let's say we eliminate myopia, either with lenses or lasers, and we all see like we're 10 for the rest of our lives. No more blurriness, no more inability to read.
I believe that would be a worse state of the world. We will have lost something beautiful.
I disagree. I strive for a world in which humans have rational control over things, after the economy and nature so that we don't have to spend a lot of time and keep it going, there is no reason not to have rational control over the adverse effects of aging.
We have to agree to disagree. I find the prospect of a world where humans have rational control over nature terrifying.
Last comment on this bc I feel like I am wasting my breath:
Let’s say we eliminate aging, and we all look like we’re 25 until we keel over at age 200 or whatever. No more wrinkles, no more gray hair.
I believe that would be a worse state of the world. We will have lost something beautiful.
Spend more time in nursing homes watching people rot to death. Or well less, honestly it is a bad scene. After the revolution ™️ we'll find some way to preserve people's dignity and quality of life as they age, not just the rich
Yeah seriously, I have no idea what kind of idealistic world Assian_Candor lives in. It's not just the isolation that makes nursing homes sad. It's the actual physical state that those people are in. But oh well, trying to help them in their physical ailments won't be "as beautiful" or whatever
They make a good point about gracefully accepting fate. That is important. However it would be more ideal if we could limit the amount of accepting decay you had to do at any one time.
Exactly! Accept what you cannot change, but change what you can.
Unless it interferes with "beauty." In that case fuck changing what you can. 🙃
I think finding beauty in it is how they accept it, and maybe they personally need to accept it.
But if we all thought that way we’d never fix this shit!
Because we’re not wise enough? Human nature can change. We can grow wiser as a species — especially if we live longer.
Wrinkles aren’t just cosmetic, they form as the connective tissue in your skin breaks down, making your skin thinner, more fragile, and less elastic. This in turn limits what you can do and experience.
I don’t find that beautiful. What I find beautiful is the stuff that comes along with it. Gaining perspective, watching your children and grandchildren grow up, guiding the next generation, focusing less on yourself.
I don’t think we need to slowly decay to have these features in the world.
You're exactly right.
This is what lack of scientific literacy does to a MF. Ask any older person and they'll tell you that being old (wrinkles, aches, etc) sucks. It's a shame that some people don't get that.
I don't care so much about how I look, but about the hurt and the choice not a community or me can do in regards to aging. I mean currently medication and good food and good infrastructure can people have 90 years of life expectancy, if you look at workers in more shitty situations they are dying like 20 years earlier. This is an injustice and it will stay an injustice in communism if there would be ways for people to live longer. That is a debate and choice that has to be then be done.
There is nothing holy in the arbitrary life expectancy that material conditions and evolutions "gave" us. I do see how a "change" in population might be seen as beautiful, but I believe that we will not become immortal (but even if we did), so it just is a question about communist reproduction of society. It might ensure that more people can care for a child? In any case currently it is mostly utopian, but the reality is that we can increase the life span of people by decades as society. That is something that Cuba does and they have my support for that. With medication that is upcoming people will likely have a higher quality of life till the climate catastrophe disrupts the production of those, how to distribute them for me is an analogous question. Especially since a few comrades of mine would be dead already without medication.
Nah bro just let them die bro.... It'll be more "beautiful" that way 🤣
I swear the whole "leave nature alone it's more beautiful if we all die without medical technology" is some real western leftist BS.
I'm dying.... LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
You are putting words in my mouth in bad faith. Nowhere did I mention anything about medical technology being unnatural.
What I said is aging is natural and normal and not something that needs to be addressed by medical technology. Those are very different statements.
if we could treat it, we would, and then we’d call it a disease.
Bingo
So what about age-related (more like age-caused) diseases? Should we not do anything about them? Instead of treating the symptoms, why not address the cause? I don't see this distinction you're making. It seems like an arbitrary one, since a lot of diseases and conditions are "natural."
Let's say we eliminate myopia, either with lenses or lasers, and we all see like we're 10 for the rest of our lives. No more blurriness, no more inability to read.
I believe that would be a worse state of the world. We will have lost something beautiful.