i dont think you are engaging with the actual thinking going on and instead are being like "but what about the fact that we can never truly know anyone else!!!" it's easy to understand. light is a phenomena that is pretty well explained in physics and with other "philosophical" or logical evidence. we're not all seeing different shit even if it's interesting to think about
I had a terrible night’s sleep so I’m gonna be grumpy here
Read my comment again. It is literally not possible to prove this either way, that’s the whole point.
Yes, you are seeing the exact same wavelength as everyone else. No, this has nothing to do with the argument. No amount of incessantly pointing to the physics of the stimulus is going to resolve the question.
I don’t think you understand that this has literally nothing to do with the physics of light. It’s honestly amazing that you point to this even after the countless clarifications that that is not the point of the discussion. No one is questioning the physics of light. We could perfectly well be seeing different shit. Consciousness and subjective experience, one of the greatest enigmas to this day, it’s anything but understood. Color is just a proxy for this discussion. You could make it about sound or pain or basically anything.the question is “do we have the same sensory experience for the same stimulus”? You can explain the physics of light every step of the way and it wouldn’t even touch on subjective experience.
In summary:
Is the physics of light well understood?
Yes.
Are our eyes physically structured basically identically?
Yes.
Is the stimulus, physically speaking, a constant for both observers?
Yes.
Are the physical properties of the light hitting the retina the same for both?
Yes.
Is our internal sensory perception universal?
I don’t know, and if you do, you should get it published and live off the coattails of one of the greatest achievements in scientific history for the rest of your life.
I didn’t know we were relitigating this, but this is a philosophical concept that is related to physics but which cannot be explained by it, not because of anything supernatural, but because that’s how language works
i dont think you are engaging with the actual thinking going on and instead are being like "but what about the fact that we can never truly know anyone else!!!" it's easy to understand. light is a phenomena that is pretty well explained in physics and with other "philosophical" or logical evidence. we're not all seeing different shit even if it's interesting to think about
I had a terrible night’s sleep so I’m gonna be grumpy here
Read my comment again. It is literally not possible to prove this either way, that’s the whole point.
Yes, you are seeing the exact same wavelength as everyone else. No, this has nothing to do with the argument. No amount of incessantly pointing to the physics of the stimulus is going to resolve the question.
I don’t think you understand that this has literally nothing to do with the physics of light. It’s honestly amazing that you point to this even after the countless clarifications that that is not the point of the discussion. No one is questioning the physics of light. We could perfectly well be seeing different shit. Consciousness and subjective experience, one of the greatest enigmas to this day, it’s anything but understood. Color is just a proxy for this discussion. You could make it about sound or pain or basically anything.the question is “do we have the same sensory experience for the same stimulus”? You can explain the physics of light every step of the way and it wouldn’t even touch on subjective experience.
In summary:
Yes.
Are our eyes physically structured basically identically?
Yes.
Is the stimulus, physically speaking, a constant for both observers?
Yes.
Are the physical properties of the light hitting the retina the same for both?
Yes.
Is our internal sensory perception universal?
I don’t know, and if you do, you should get it published and live off the coattails of one of the greatest achievements in scientific history for the rest of your life.
da physics of the eye is also da same and our brains are all built roughly the same so whateva
If we perceive senses the same way, why do some people disagree about what colors go together or if something tastes good?
If the internal experience of the sense is the same, why would anyone have different tastes?
When people like different things, is it entirely arbitrary? Or is it because they perceive the internal sensation differently?
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I didn’t know we were relitigating this, but this is a philosophical concept that is related to physics but which cannot be explained by it, not because of anything supernatural, but because that’s how language works