Its like Hillary walking into a working class kitchen for the first time.
They've been shielded from even critical support of China and other AES for so long they literally, not figuratively, literally cannot process that people exist that have beliefs that aren't Reddit Approved. They immediately assume it's bots or wumao. Human beings can't possibly hold these beliefs, so they must be Oriental hordes or actual robots.
Oh hey it's you again, I think you forgot to answer me in the other thread as well: what is your solution to the Ukranian puppet government's ongoing genoicide in the Donbas?
Honestly if Russia ONLY invaded Donbas I think I would support that. But you guys are clearly warmongerers that want as many dead Ukrainians as possible.
This doesn't even make any sense. People normally criticize us for wanting Ukraine to surrender to end the war -- are you just making this up, or??
Literally people endorsing Russia bombing major cities in Ukraine two seconds ago.
Again, please don't compare us to Zelensky, that's really fucked up.
Keep blowing Putin, tankie. I've made it clear I don't like Zelensky either, but there's NO justification for waging war anywhere outside of Donbas.
Homophobia from a Catholic person?
I'm surprised the pedophile projection didn't start, honestly.
Do you really think Russia could've just invaded the Donbass? Obviously Ukraine would call it an invasion and try to retake it, at which point Russia would advance into Ukrainian territory to repel them. We'd be in the exact same situation, except Russia & the Donbass would be in a worse situation.
Why the hell would Russia bother with any of that?
Or maybe, get this, they could defend the border of Donbas and keep the war within there?
Prime military strategy revolves around quick, decisive attacks, after which you come to a complete stop, immediatly short of the enemies artillery lines they've spent the last 8 years sighting in.
And just let their troops die getting shelled for the next who-knows-how-many years, without ever trying to push back and end the war? Clearly a counterattack is called for, at that point
Pro-escalating-war talking points if I've ever heard them.
My sibling in Christ you want Russia to have let their army get shelled by NATO missiles in the Donbass without ever fighting back. Do you see why people here are calling you pro-west?
Is there anything Russia could have done that you would have approved of, other than let Ukraine kill their troops forever while they stand still? Your take is less coherent than that of libs who just think the Donbass should be part of Ukraine -- at least they can say "Russia should have done nothing!".
What exactly makes you think Russia would've fared worse by sticking to one region?
NATO would have kept sending Ukraine bombs to use for years, and Russia would be powerless to end the war, short of abandoning the Donbass. Even though they could hold the territory, they would never win.
Only if Russia forces Ukraine to surrender - or ideally, they just surrender now - can they actually secure peace and sovereignty for Luhansk and Donetsk.
Have you heard of artillery?
Real warfare isn't a bloody strategy game where you can park your units on some line somewhere as a phalanx to protect 'your land'. You do whatever you can to remove the enemy's ability to attack you and if they're not interested in negotiation, you try to take land / diminish their forces in order to force them to the table.
Your suggestion isn't remotely based in reality.
You mean what's been getting done by the Ukrainian army and defended by liberals like you for the last 8+ years?
Not true, liberals weren't even aware of the civil war for the most part
they still aren't
That is so offensive, don't compare us to Zelensky, please.
I never said he wasn't a fascist like Putin.
Low effort bait
Cool
If you think Vladimir fucking Putin isn't a fascist that allows LGBTQ genocides, holy shit.
That's an entirely different context to the one you implied him being a fascist for. The Donbas belongs to Russia, not NATO, regardless.
Ok I don't even disagree with you there, but does Kyiv belong to Russia too?
Did Berlin belong to America?
Is Ukraine trying to take over the world?
Was Germany?
Uh, yeah?
Uh, no.
The Nazis were indeed trending in the direction of attempting world domination (while imploding), though "West Berlin" was a bullshit state.
Does Taiwan belong to China?
How could Russia 'invade' Donbas if they were invited? You've been asked this several times and avoided answering every one.
I'll rephrase it, Russia should've defended Donbas and nothing else. Going further than Donbas is an unequivocal invasion.
I've answered all your "questions" hexshit.
You realise that would mean war with Ukraine, and that it's universally accepted that you can attack an enemy country you're already at war with.
Nope. Crimea stayed within Crimea. This is simply Russia having bloodlust.
I can tell you're a Catholic by the way you think that you just declaring something makes it true.
the only way one could believe this is a viable military strategy is if you have gamerbrain. if Ukraine knew that Russia was not going to go beyond the Donbass then when not just set up a shitload of defense and artillery positions along the border? it would be a massive military advantage to Ukraine and it's not as if the Western response would have been tempered because of it, they were sanctioning Russia even before the war began