From all the concern trolling I see in the other instances it's clear that there's no winning over these people. Everything is "Kremlin propaganda" to them. I do think a lot of chapos did go a little overboard with the PPB, but even thoughtful responses were met with the "hateful rhetoric" and "Kremlin talking points" BS. As always, it is to the Global South we must look to for any hope in the future...
Trying to convince white libs that insert Bad non white country isn't cartoonishly evil and out to get them personally as a poc is like banging your head against a wall
They see us as blinded by loyalty and discard our feelings because only us dirty coloreds can be influenced by propaganda