Do we actually like Russia here? I came because I'm a lefty with a healthy suspicion of America's depiction of China, but Russia has really dug their own grave at this point.
Russia is bad, but nato is worse, in the same way that a grenade tossed into a school building is bad, and throwing many grenades into many school buildings is worse
Russia sucks and is bad, but the war in Ukraine is the fault of NATO and the west, and is only the most recent atrocity inflicted upon the world for the gain of the United States/ Europe
NATO is an anti communist pact that basically destroyed the Soviet project and our last hope for humanity. Anyone opposing NATO or NATO aligned countries is good by default.
I think a more up-to-date description would be that NATO is an anti-Russia organization. Russia hasn't been communist since the 90s and NATO is still diametrically opposed to Russia specifically.
edit: changed 'correct' to 'up-to-date' to better reflect the sentiment
This comment is old by now but I wanted to add to what others said, that what we're doing isn't something new, it's close to what's known as Revolutionary Defeatism. We believe that in the context of capitalist imperialist hegemony the working class has in its interest to spoil any imperialist project. NATO is part of that hegemonic order, and its unipolar domination of the world is something that harms the whole global working class. Therefore, when us leftists in the imperial core are called to follow in line and support imperialism because we're doing it different this time, we need to recognize that the principled position is to oppose the war despite of the accusations thrown at Russia. It's not like the world is in danger of Russia becoming a hegemonic super power the way the US is, instead the threat is of Russia offering a competing alternative to developing countries as a trade partner, which is good for everyone.
oh no, we're upvoting because we agree with the post after reading it.
It's a little BMF
Do we actually like Russia here? I came because I'm a lefty with a healthy suspicion of America's depiction of China, but Russia has really dug their own grave at this point.
Russia is bad, but nato is worse, in the same way that a grenade tossed into a school building is bad, and throwing many grenades into many school buildings is worse
Russia sucks and is bad, but the war in Ukraine is the fault of NATO and the west, and is only the most recent atrocity inflicted upon the world for the gain of the United States/ Europe
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I think the consensus is more anti-NATO than specifically pro-Russia.
NATO is an anti communist pact that basically destroyed the Soviet project and our last hope for humanity. Anyone opposing NATO or NATO aligned countries is good by default.
Disagree, it’s more of a rule of thumb than a hard and fast rule:
For an extreme example, obliterating the earth into dust is anti-nato, but definitely not good
Not good - Anti-lgbtq countries shouldn't be considered "good", but that's what critical support is for.
I think a more up-to-date description would be that NATO is an anti-Russia organization. Russia hasn't been communist since the 90s and NATO is still diametrically opposed to Russia specifically.
edit: changed 'correct' to 'up-to-date' to better reflect the sentiment
This comment is old by now but I wanted to add to what others said, that what we're doing isn't something new, it's close to what's known as Revolutionary Defeatism. We believe that in the context of capitalist imperialist hegemony the working class has in its interest to spoil any imperialist project. NATO is part of that hegemonic order, and its unipolar domination of the world is something that harms the whole global working class. Therefore, when us leftists in the imperial core are called to follow in line and support imperialism because we're doing it different this time, we need to recognize that the principled position is to oppose the war despite of the accusations thrown at Russia. It's not like the world is in danger of Russia becoming a hegemonic super power the way the US is, instead the threat is of Russia offering a competing alternative to developing countries as a trade partner, which is good for everyone.