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Got here before all the libs completely swarmed it crying about 'reverse racism', that's a first.
Let me throw out a few things for our federated people:
-You cannot be truly 'racist' to white people, as racism refers to prejudice in addition to the backing of socialized power structures at play.
-Calling someone an 'anglo devil' in the context of that person making a joke about all Russians being Nazis is perfectly justified.
-Reddit's moderation team is headed by a 'former' CIA demon, and has been for years.
-Calling someone an 'anglo devil' in the context of that person making a joke about all Russians being Nazis is perfectly justified.
Calling the English "Anglo devils" is always justified. If they get offended, tell them it's "banter" and they are socially obligated to accept it.
Oi mate its ok, I got me loisence for taking the piss, see?
"You are promoting hate!" I yell in my US sponsored genocide factory
I know the last one is true, but perhaps someone could link a source for our new friends. I remember there used to be a little debunking paragraph with links floating around here.
That is the OG Effortpost, someone posted (re-posted?) essentially all of that a few days ago.
When she was appointed to her position at Reddit, Jessica Ashooh never worked at a social media company before, had never held a senior position in a private sector company, and had spent the last 7 years working public sector jobs.
Her immediate past position, from March 2015 - May 2017, was as Deputy Director Middle East Strategy Task Force at the Atlantic Council and before that from June 2011 to February 2015 she was a Senior Analyst at the Policy Planning Department of the UAE Ministry of Foreign Affairs
As this internal CIA document made publically available by FOIA shows, The Atlantic Council, is a CIA front.
Totally normal things, someone who worked for a CIA front and the UAE Ministry of Foreign Affairs just becoming head of moderation at a massive social media site despite 0 relevant experience.
Oh also, bonus:
“I know what it’s like to live under censorship,” she said. “My internal check, when I’m arguing for a restrictive policy on the site, is Do I sound like an Arab government? If so, maybe I should scale it back.” On the other hand, she said, “people hide behind the notion that there’s a bright line between ideology and action, but some ideologies are inherently more violent than others.”
My internal check, when I’m arguing for a restrictive policy on the site, is Do I sound like an Arab government? If so, maybe I should scale it back.
Do I sound like an Arab government? If so, maybe I should scale it back.
momenthttps://www.mintpressnews.com/jessica-ashooh-reddit-national-security-state-plant/277639/
So like, this is something that bothers me.
Why hide behind a more academic definition of "racism" when someone calls a white person an "Anglo devil" or something similar? I think it is pretty inarguably bigoted and dehumanizing along racial lines, y'know, the colloquial definition of racist?
White supremacy is a thing, absolutely, but why would we want to automatically side with the jerk insulting people based on their race?
Calling all Russians Nazis is obviously wrong, too, not siding with that person either. But why is a race-based insult somehow "justified"? Can't they both just be being shitty?
I don't give a shit about civility politics, but this attitude is just weird to me. Bringing systemic level critique (which is valid don't get it twisted) to justify one side of a small interpersonal scuffle is bonkers.
If you zoom in to the specific one-on-one interaction then yes a white person being called an Anglo Devil or cracka is having their feelings hurt along racial lines.
However, why should we disregard all the context and background of a global system of white supremacy that keeps the vast majority of POC peoples poor, subservient, and voiceless? Why focus on a white individual being made to feel momentarily uncomfortable when the system of white supremacy perpetrated by white people does not give POC the option of being treated as individuals with feelings and needs?
If a Polish person in occupied Warsaw tells a German on the street to "fuck off to Germany, you Nazi", the possibility of that German not being a Nazi and having their feelings hurt is completely inconsequential to whatever the Pole is going through.
I was not 'hiding behind a more academic definition of "racism"', I was noting that 'reverse racism' is not real. Yes, white people can experience racial prejudice, but that is worlds apart from racism as one has all the social, legal, and overall systemic backing of generations of hatred, and the other is someone being called a 'bleach demon' online.
Distinctions like that matter.
RuSSian = ok
Anglo devil = not ok
Russians probably have more right to be upset about this given their historical battle against nazism and the losses they suffered for it.
poor wittle marginalized and vulnerable oppressed anglos
Sorry, but if at this point you still stick with Reddit you're just dumb
Genuine question. Does general consensus not differentiate between systemic and "normal" racism.
Because surely you don't mean this comment right?
Systemic racism is normal racism, it is the racism that is the most normalized. The other racism you are talking about is personal prejudice.
No idea how sincere they are being. Some Maoist Standard English types get high on their own supply sometimes and it's not worth stressing over imo
Just an fyi for people coming here from outside of hexbear:
Racism against white people is not real
Anglos have been devils for the rest of the world for centuries
US has been the great satan since it's conception
"White" as a concept changes every five years based on the needs of the global imperialism
There is no white culture
@ me if you have any questions
I've said for many years that most of history outside of regional squabbles can be boiled down to "Watch out for those white people over there"
Reddit moderation is unironically much further right than Twitter. Musk is extremely open about his fascist sympathies and disdain for moderation, but I can still regularly get tweets removed for being transphobic. The same cannot be said for
Fuck off is it.
Racism is something that is built up over years of horrific oppression as a marginalised people by those above you in the power hierarchy.
Being called an "anglo devil" doesn't affect you. It rolls off you and every other white person like water, because it has no historical or cultural power built up by oppression. Racism hurts because racism immediately evokes the entire history of oppression a people has suffered. When I call you a cracker or a mayo it doesn't do anything, because you have no history of that oppression. Unlike when someone is called a real racial slur like nword, antisemitism, etc etc. Real fucking racism.
You undermine efforts against REAL racism when you say stupid shit like claiming being called a mayo or cracker or anglo devil is racism against white people. Stop. Or admit you're a fragile white supremacist.
what do you think of "yakubian devil" do you think that's better, i'm just asking, i don't want to offend the spawn of yakub
Send me your cranial measurements you old Yakubian ape I must study you for science
racism is when you criticize the dominant, hegemonic power, and the more racister it is the more you do it.
Having been where you are about 10 years ago, let me put it in a way that I wish had been put to me originally.
Yes, from a dictionary, contextless and rather aseptic dictionary definition perspective, 'anglo-devil' is a fairly racist thing to say. The problem is that for understanding the systemic structure and effects of racism throughout history, that definition where racism is that sort of individualized interaction is a useless impediment for understanding what is actually going on. So you're going to get definitions of racism that offer more practical utility for that study, and under those definitions, anglo-devil doesn't really fit the bill.
You don't have to agree with those redefinitions, but it would at least be sensible to try to understand why they exist and who/what the old aseptic definition might be serving.
As much as I like the jokes, I'm glad someone actually took the time to explain the reasoning behind the dunks.
We often expect others to have the same understanding as we do, but we really shouldn't. I used to find the "yakubian cumskin" jokes crass and offensive as well, until someone took the time to sincerely explain it to me.You don’t know anything about me or where I am. Please don’t try making things personal it’s weird.
You're on hexbear pal it was weird way before I said anything
Obviously in polite company the proper term is "snow roach"
Adding here that in some Marxist analysis, racism is a form of classism, eg races are kept from moving into other classes via invented prejudices which divide the proles from focusing on the bourgeoisie. That is, racism is economic and power centred not aesthetic. So, when we say white people can't experience racism, we mean that they are not kept from advancing in society/class because of their race, whereas non-white people are. This is a societal analysis, not an individual one which is the focus of a liberal definition.
Note also that the definition of "white" is fluid dependent on capital's needs and demands.
People just upvote without even looking at this dumb shit you've posted.
oh no, we're upvoting because we agree with the post after reading it.
Do we actually like Russia here? I came because I'm a lefty with a healthy suspicion of America's depiction of China, but Russia has really dug their own grave at this point.
Russia is bad, but nato is worse, in the same way that a grenade tossed into a school building is bad, and throwing many grenades into many school buildings is worse
Russia sucks and is bad, but the war in Ukraine is the fault of NATO and the west, and is only the most recent atrocity inflicted upon the world for the gain of the United States/ Europe
I think the consensus is more anti-NATO than specifically pro-Russia.
NATO is an anti communist pact that basically destroyed the Soviet project and our last hope for humanity. Anyone opposing NATO or NATO aligned countries is good by default.
Disagree, it’s more of a rule of thumb than a hard and fast rule:
For an extreme example, obliterating the earth into dust is anti-nato, but definitely not good
Not good - Anti-lgbtq countries shouldn't be considered "good", but that's what critical support is for.
I think a more up-to-date description would be that NATO is an anti-Russia organization. Russia hasn't been communist since the 90s and NATO is still diametrically opposed to Russia specifically.
edit: changed 'correct' to 'up-to-date' to better reflect the sentiment
This comment is old by now but I wanted to add to what others said, that what we're doing isn't something new, it's close to what's known as Revolutionary Defeatism. We believe that in the context of capitalist imperialist hegemony the working class has in its interest to spoil any imperialist project. NATO is part of that hegemonic order, and its unipolar domination of the world is something that harms the whole global working class. Therefore, when us leftists in the imperial core are called to follow in line and support imperialism because we're doing it different this time, we need to recognize that the principled position is to oppose the war despite of the accusations thrown at Russia. It's not like the world is in danger of Russia becoming a hegemonic super power the way the US is, instead the threat is of Russia offering a competing alternative to developing countries as a trade partner, which is good for everyone.
