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  • volcel_olive_oil [he/him]
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    10 months ago

    if they have the wrong equipment for the task at hand, wouldn't that mean that they are worse equipped?

    if they have run through their "last reserve brigades" as the redditor in the OP screenshot says, when will they have the time to train their new guys "better"?

    you are for sure optimistic about Ukraine's willingness to throw lives into the grinder

    • bucho@lemmy.one
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      10 months ago

      if they have the wrong equipment for the task at hand, wouldn’t that mean that they are worse equipped?

      No? If you're talking about air force, they're definitely worse equipped than Russia. But on the ground, their equipment is newer and in better repair. They are just dealing with a unique situation from the perspective of NATO countries. You can't train on shit that you have no experience with.

      if they have run through their “last reserve brigades” as the redditor in the OP screenshot says, when will they have the time to train their new guys “better”?

      I don't believe they have. I'm not in Ukraine, and I don't have an in with the Ukrainian military, so I can't say for sure. But all of the Ukrainian sources that I have read suggest that they still have reserves left. They have deployed one of their most highly trained reserve forces on the south bank of the Dnipro, but they probably still have more in the areas around Kramotorsk.

      As far as training, that's perpetually ongoing. Remember, the Ukrainians were invaded; they aren't the invaders. So morale among their armed forces is on average much higher than that among the Russians. They have lots of volunteers to draw on as well, both foreign and domestic. So, even though their losses have been high in meat grinders like Bakhmut, and millions of Ukrainians have fled to other countries, they're still getting a steady stream of new recruits to fill out their ranks.

      you are for sure optimistic about Ukraine’s willingness to throw lives into the grinder

      I mean, what choice do they have? They can't just magic the Russians away. Do you suggest that they just give up their territory and all of the people who live there? Of course they're fighting. I applaud that in them. And despite your snark, there is a very big difference tactics-wise between how the Ukrainians are approaching this fight than the Russians. For example, when Wagner was attacking Bakhmut, they would use literal human wave tactics to gain ground; they'd send several poorly armed squads at once to test multiple paths through the city. If one of them didn't die, they'd know that Ukrainian firepower was weakest in that area, so then they'd send in their better trained forces to concentrate there. THAT'S throwing people into the grinder. Ukraine does everything it can to avoid unnecessary bloodshed among their troops.

      • Egon [they/them]
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        10 months ago

        I mean, what choice do they have? They can't just magic the Russians away. Do you suggest that they just give up their territory and all of the people who live there?

        Yes actually. Countries and borders are made up, it doesn't make sense to die for one. Seeing as how they need to stop people from leaving the country in order to forcibly draft them, it's pretty clear the ukrainians would rather live than die for some billionaire in a far off land.

          • Egon [they/them]
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            10 months ago

            Yeah it's a weird doublethink libs have going on. "Ukrainians wantsto keep fighting, look how many soldiers there are" and "Ukraine has to forcibly conscript, otherwise it can't keep fighting"