"Some of you may be willing to die, but that's a sacrifice I'm willing to make" but unironically

Edit: The user has since apologised https://hexbear.net/comment/3848285

  • nat_turner_overdrive [he/him]
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    10 months ago

    So if chinese language is taught in your country and chinese publications are sold, this means your nation and culture has submitted to China?

    • Egon [they/them]
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      10 months ago

      Or English for that matter. The schools in Ukraine teach English and you can buy English books there

      • Egon [they/them]
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        10 months ago

        Lmao no it doesn't. Do you think the us was right to put Japanese citizens in internment camps?

        • aport@programming.dev
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          10 months ago

          God no. I think there's some misinterpretation here. I was saying that blocking the media of an invading country does not equate to genocide. That's it.

          • nat_turner_overdrive [he/him]
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            10 months ago

            That's interesting that you think one of us did the misinterpretation, because that's not what happened - they did not block the import of media produced in Russia. They blocked all Russian language media. There's an important distinction there that I'm certain you will pretend to not understand.

            • aport@programming.dev
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              10 months ago

              I'm fine admitting the misinterpretation was mine. In that case I think it's a bit too far, also considering the large number of Russian speakers within Ukraine

              • nat_turner_overdrive [he/him]
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                10 months ago

                It's not just a bit too far - it fits most definitions for cultural genocide, particularly when you include that Ukraine banned teaching in Russian, all Russian books in schools, etc. Imagine being a Russian speaking Ukrainian child: all of a sudden all of the books you can read are gone, your teachers must speak Ukrainian.

                So we have Ukraine committing cultural genocide, and still zero evidence that Russia is committing any kind of genocide.

                • aport@programming.dev
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                  10 months ago

                  Thanks for the document. I'm a bit confused because I can't find where the Commission's opinion agrees with your statement. Can you help me find it?

                  • StalinwasaGryffindor [he/him, comrade/them]
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                    10 months ago

                    Apologies, I’m not great at linking stuff and I’m better at scrolling than posting on mobile.

                    I’d recommend reading section 3, starting on page ten. I also want to say that this doesn’t to me justify the invasion, but that I can see why Russian speakers/people in both Ukraine and Russia felt threatened

              • GarbageShoot [he/him]
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                10 months ago

                Do you think that it's "too far" or aimed at doing something you are not inclined to admit? It's not like Russia doesn't have people who know Ukrainian and English to publish things in those languages to reach Ukraine for propaganda purposes, but totally unrelated media that just happens to be in Russian (and thereby part of the survival of Russophone culture) is being banned. The goal is not simply fighting Russia, but genuine ethnonationalism.

          • Egon [they/them]
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            10 months ago

            This is part of the larger conversation of persecution of russians, that you were denying was occurring. A user links you to examples, which you then answer with "not submitting to another country is genocide now?". Thereby implying that because russian is spoken in Ukraine and you can purchase russian-language media, Ukraine was subjugated to Russia, and this thing where speaking russian - which parts of the Ukrainian population had always done - is being eradicated and russian-language media being removed, is somehow NOT oppression, but instead Ukraine bravely standing up to its invaders. A user then highlights the flaw in your logic - Which is that because Russia is invading, it's not actually persecution to suppress your native russian speakers.

            So if chinese language is taught in your country and chinese publications are sold, this means your nation and culture has submitted to China?

            That depends, is china invading my country.

            Thereby claiming that pursuing and eradicating another culture is a-ok if a nation with a majority of that culture is invading you. Following that logic, it was all right to intern the Japanese.